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it was completely silent it comes right

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flying-saucer really standing in the

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clearing he turned over to my father and

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held his hand and he looked in his eyes

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and said we're not alone welcome to

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podcast UFO for our live show we're live

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hello and welcome to the show I'm

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excited about our guest good friend

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chase klutzy is coming back on the show

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and she's got all kinds of new and

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interesting things to talk about and

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shag harbour so I'm going up there for

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of some of the witnesses such as Laurie

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that's enough for me

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Dondre how you doing I am doing well and

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I'm sorry I'm ignorant of this but every

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time we do the video you know I watch

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you and you have this green creep behind

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you and I'm sure there's like that space

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for less I never see the YouTube I know

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for the last two shows I have Paul

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can see more of the grape I thought to

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this great information

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true true so how's everything going I am

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more important than that chase let's key

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wandering around and just being a cool

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outfit yeah where you like tell people

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you're over here you know but I've got a

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cool story about Prince Philip so I

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able to go to that but she couldn't make

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there but all of us other researchers

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fun of because they they they don't

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mine Travis Waltons and then today they

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Eagle Meyer who talked about this 37th

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parallel and that's kind of exciting i

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Robert Downey jr. is excited about it so

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they might have some famously people

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mine cuz if you know them they're great

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people but that that's gonna be pretty

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assuming this movie goes through but so

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far so good so that's some cool stuff

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that's on the Sun that you can see on

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the website otherwise other news that

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this since your last show and that was

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podcast but what's cool about this is he

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hasn't shared it with the mainstream yet

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and this is essentially kind of the

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first mainstream media posting of this

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story that that's been written so Mark

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Dantonio mu Fonz photo analysts used to

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do he's have a top secret clearance he

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doesn't anymore or not that he lost it

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he's just isn't doing that work anymore

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that that needed it and this is cool too

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cuz I've always been interested in

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chases response because she has some

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connection with this type of thing but

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when more

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was working on these models they had him

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he got to take a ride in a Navy nuclear

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sub and while he was in that sub the

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sonar like the the guy at the sonar said

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fast mover fast mover and so they said

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he was clocking something going at

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something like 200 knots and but they

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didn't really let mark know much about

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it when he asked the commanding officer

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about it the commanding officer said

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mark are you enjoying your ride and Mark

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well let's keep it that way so

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essentially shut up so later on he was

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to another officer and he said hey tell

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me about the fast mover program and the

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guy told him I can't tell you about that

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which led mark to believe that there

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really is some sort of program which I

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think people will be excited about

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because he's often typically kind of

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considered a skeptic since he hasn't

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found a UFO photo essentially that he's

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like you and I talked about this quite a

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bit so that was a really cool story that

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was another great story that the son had

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so that's pretty neat yeah otherwise

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Russian so there were some odd photos

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taken in Russia and Armenia and some of

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the countries around there and for those

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of us like you and I who are used to

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this we can identify what it is and it

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was a missile and essentially these

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missiles what they'll do is they just

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swerve weird or they can't spin out and

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create these giants fire rolls like they

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did in Norway and yeah and a lot of

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people I don't know if you still get

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hate mail every time we talk about this

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but and it was Mark Dantonio burst my

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bubble on this one I'm like what that

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can't be a missile and he explained to

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me how and then he showed me other

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evidence of how this has happened in the

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past in fact there are times where you

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can go on YouTube and see these these

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missiles coming out of a sub then going

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haywire and just boom spinning out of

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control and you see the spiral effect

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happening so when it happens at space

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it's even more extraordinary I remember

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there's a big one in LA where lots of

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stars and stuff had seen it and a big

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portion of the sky was covered

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by the gas in this thing so I'm really a

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little failed missile missile launch on

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that one yep yep and bail missile on

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yeah that it's the upper atmosphere and

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like you said you know low space where

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these things really look totally amazing

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and I can i really really get why

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someone would think it would be

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something out of this world you know it

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just doesn't yeah just doesn't appear

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like you know that yeah it does it looks

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wild and when it's yet like you said in

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the upper atmosphere it looks humongous

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so but it's just gases that are

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reflecting the sunlight and stuff like

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that so finally this is really cool too

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this story there's a guy named Phillip

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mantle in the UK and he's been talking

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about this guy Spyro small heiress for

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quite some time the guy who alleges to

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have you know created the bodies when it

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came to the alien autopsy filling well a

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lot of people have doubted it and really

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Phillip Mantle's kind of been carrying

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this all on his own

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but finally because his Spyro small

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heiress has been like hesitant to talk

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publicly and so he's been kind of

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elusive but finally he's been talking to

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the major media and he's been admitting

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okay yeah I'm the guy and describing in

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detail how he created and hoax those

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videos and he says you know which is one

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of the reasons he didn't come out he is

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really embarrassed he did not realize it

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would get so huge as it has and so he

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says he feels really bad about it it was

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a joke but now it's you turned into this

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huge thing and of course as he predicts

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in his story even though he's come

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forward and talked about even in very my

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new detail how he created all of these

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different things sure enough when I

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posted on on Facebook you know people

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are like I don't believe this this is a

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cover-up he's lying so yes well guess

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who you follow Jean yeah now he's not

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the one that made the 200,000 or

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whatever it was from it was he no

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there's a guy there who owned it and I

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can't remember his name right now

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if you go to my facebook post on this I

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posted a couple follow-up stories

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because we Philip Mantle's a contributor

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at open mind stat TV and so he's written

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about this and other things at length

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and he wrote about how the the owner and

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he uses his name and I can't remember

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his name

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tried to provide film as proof that

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these were real but the film he provided

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some of it was not from the right time

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period and was not correct some of it

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was from the right time period but were

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copies but the problem was all of this

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film he provided none of it had any of

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the alien autopsy stuff on it he said oh

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this is from another part of the film oh

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yeah well you know so but he would not

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provide a part of the film that had you

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know what people were interested in so

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that could be tested which is just all

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signs of you know this guy trying to

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trick everybody and he did trick people

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and he made a lot of money off of it

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yeah yeah and like you said I I've every

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once in a while someone will send me

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something about the alien autopsy I

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remember when it went viral on TV this

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was I don't know what was that the 1990s

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sometime yeah sometime in the 90s I can

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look it up here and it was I remember

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seeing it and thinking wow you know that

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and I wasn't even really talking about

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UFOs back then her anything but I saw

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that clip and I thought wow is that even

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possible you know mm-hmm

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but think of the probably millions of

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people out there that think that was a

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real deal

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yeah Ray Santilli was a guy's name in

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1995 was when the video came out yeah it

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was produced by Bob kiveat

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who's someone I actually was speaking to

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today about he's still doing UFO shows

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and kiveat is he's really into UFOs he's

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a he's a TV producer he's done a lot of

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some of the stuff that people would

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recognize but this was one where yeah

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everybody kind of got a lot of people

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got duped but then again a lot of people

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made money too

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yeah right right so is that it for today

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that's it for now all right so

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we'll be back next week thanks man all

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right talk to you later all right take

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care all right our guest is chase

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Collett ski and we've had her on I think

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she was one of the early people on our

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show way back and I always enjoy having

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her on so much and she's has an amazing

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background if you're listening live or

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you're listening to this as a podcast

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you can check out her bio in the show

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notes and as she was schooled as a

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private investigator and she joined

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MUFON back in 1996 and was selected as

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part of the start know actually the star

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team manager at the time anyway glad to

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have her back as usual chase welcome to

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the show again thanks so much for having

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me Martin you know I've been looking

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forward to this yeah I know it's been I

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can't I can't remember how long it's

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been but it's oh I know the last time

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you were on is when we're in Phoenix you

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were yeah that's a round table in

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Phoenix so that's going yes

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but always a conference and I know

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everyone wants to hear the triangle

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story but you have told that a billion

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million times so we're gonna be talking

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about that if we actually run out of

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stuff to talk about toward the end of

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the show but for now what's been going

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on lately you're into all kinds of

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things you've been doing yeah it's

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really a great time to be a UFO

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investigator and well actually if you

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don't know what it is I'll go look so if

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it's a legit report or sighting or event

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I just enjoy being out boots on the

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ground and you know just digging in and

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getting some of these mystery solved

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one case at a time right and when we

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were talking briefly before the show you

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mentioned that there's a new model of

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Investigation can you talk about that

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this is for MUFON right yeah coming back

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to MUFON Jan Harlan had talked to me

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about you know he had an idea about a

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team of people that he could rely on for

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some of the cases that don't quite fit

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the CMS model or the case management

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that's where the public can file the

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reports so we call that CMS and not

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everything fits in that little box and

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things that MUFON is interested in well

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he didn't have a team that could work on

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those or a system set up to take that

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without you know just asking a couple

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investigators already in MUFON but you

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know our state directors and field

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investigators are already so overworked

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it seems we get so many reports so he

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asked me to design this and it was kind

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of a headquarters team and when he told

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me what he thought his needs were or

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what kind of team he was looking at I

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immediately thought that I could design

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a new investigation model that hasn't

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really been done before especially a

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MUFON

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investigators start with background and

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I kind of thought if we're going to be

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dealing with high-profile witnesses

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whistleblowers you know stories of high

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national security interest hackers

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type things then we need a high

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performance team so I developed that and

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we work as a task force no different

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than a police department that would have

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their regular police you know out there

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handling the everyday needs that cannot

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be dropped but then you have this

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special unit that can come in and handle

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the big things that take extra time and

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a little more scrutiny and you know a

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lot of different leads going in all

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different directions

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so that's what I've done is I designed

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the special assignment team to handle

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that but I love this investigation model

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because it's turned out to be so

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successful we even incorporated a

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reporter and a correspondent so it's is

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just really bit you know to kind of keep

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up with all our information and and keep

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things organized because as a task force

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we go in everybody contributes

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everybody's throwing stuff on the table

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you know we're throwing things up on the

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board and making timelines and making

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things work so I'm really proud of this

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this team that's you know brand-new a

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MUFON it's actually three years old now

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I kind of

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believe it because I still feel like

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renew and now some of the complaints you

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hear about and move on are you know

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things like not being able to act access

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the data you know do you think any of

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that will ever change or or what you

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know do people discuss that say you know

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that the board or you know where does

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that go they do it's always a concern

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and it comes up quite a bit because Jan

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sometimes we're aggravated at this

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because he focuses on you know

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everything that comes across his desk so

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whether somebody has a complaint or an

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idea he gives it the same amount of

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attention as everything else and it is a

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complaint I think what most people don't

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understand is when we're asking for

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information for witnesses we can't just

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put all that information out for the

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public to see because you know their

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addresses on it and or they might be

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talking about their minor children and

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part of the report but it's also all

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their contact information it's just so

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if we try to leave that out and then we

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have the investigators and sometimes

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we're digging into things that would

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reveal that information so the

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investigator notes kind of can't make

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those public either so we're kind of

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stuck between a rock and a hard place

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how to be as transparent as people would

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like us to be and yet it's not an option

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because of protecting our witnesses

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there's just no way you know what most

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of my investigation notes could never be

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made you know public to anybody however

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we do have people that you know will

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call in to MUFON and want more details

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on certain cases and of course he and

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Roger March will immediately send you to

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the fi and the state director so we're

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trying to be as transparent as possible

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but we're dealing with you know private

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people and sometimes extraordinary

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reports that they wanted us to have the

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information so that their event was

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documented but they don't want to hear

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about it anymore you know they want to

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wash your hands and move on yes and I

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know how important

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anonymity is for witnesses otherwise you

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know it wouldn't work you know there's a

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lot of people that just would not make a

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report if they knew that their name was

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going to get out there some people don't

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care but for those people that do you'd

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lose all those right or what about the

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people that don't care because they

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didn't fully understand the type of

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attention they would get and then now

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want it taken down but it is a

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discussion it's it's an issue that is

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consistently re-examined is there

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anything new we can provide anything new

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we can do with you know new avenues that

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we have like YouTube or you know so it's

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it is it is a concern and MUFON takes a

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lot of hits for it which i think is

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unfair because the only reason these

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reports aren't out there is to protect

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the very people asking for them you know

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I read a lot of Roger Marsh does a lot

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of writing for Alejandro's web site open

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minds TV and I read those reports and a

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lot of times I wonder you know it's it's

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either closed or it's still open or

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whatever but I always wanted to follow

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up you know is there any way at all to

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find out what happens to like one of the

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major cases as far as the investigation

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at all absolutely just I give contact

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Jan through an email or a phone call

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what's I think what separates MUFON from

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most organizations that investigate

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anomaly is we have a business office

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that's amazing a fully staffed business

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office that focuses yeah it's and it

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focuses directly on you know the

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business of having you know these

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operations where the investigators are

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getting the training that they they need

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and you know now we have mu everything's

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online

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MUFON University there's courses in

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astrology and you know this our days of

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sniffing dirt are over Martin because

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there's a lot of really high tech stuff

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going on and MUFON really holding on

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desperately to that scientific method

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which some people are critical

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and yet it's the only way we're going to

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meet admissibility so for us to ever hit

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that burden of proof for any kind of

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public or the science we're holding on

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to the very strict protocols that we

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00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:32,660
take hits for I get it guys we all want

541
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:35,990
to do the you know fringe out here and

542
00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:38,330
there's they'll let you do that as well

543
00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:41,240
but just not a move on we have to stick

544
00:22:47,170 --> 00:22:45,350
with a scientific agenda and you know

545
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:47,180
but it's an ever changing world I think

546
00:22:51,940 --> 00:22:49,370
that was some of what the complaints

547
00:22:54,010 --> 00:22:51,950
were for the symposium this last year

548
00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:54,020
there was a little fire out there a lot

549
00:22:58,930 --> 00:22:56,510
of the speakers so I'm sure you heard a

550
00:23:01,660 --> 00:22:58,940
little bit of that flack right we did

551
00:23:03,970 --> 00:23:01,670
and and I'll admit something to you that

552
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:03,980
a lot of people don't know each year Jan

553
00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:07,520
picks you know people that he feels are

554
00:23:11,620 --> 00:23:09,350
best suited to you maybe help with

555
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:11,630
speakers and and to help with some of

556
00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:16,100
the conference material and last year I

557
00:23:21,490 --> 00:23:19,460
was part of that team and that kind of

558
00:23:23,410 --> 00:23:21,500
helped like who do we bring in who do we

559
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:23,420
have and of course my first words were

560
00:23:29,530 --> 00:23:25,850
Richard Dolan and Michael shraddh and I

561
00:23:31,690 --> 00:23:29,540
like to stay very science minded but and

562
00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:31,700
I have to tell you that I did make a

563
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:34,070
comment I was not happy and I did not

564
00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:35,510
think it was a good idea to bring in a

565
00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:37,160
couple of the speakers and I won't

566
00:23:41,970 --> 00:23:38,390
mention them because I think it's gonna

567
00:23:45,610 --> 00:23:41,980
be obvious but and and I was really very

568
00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:45,620
defiant about that and then it hit me

569
00:23:52,090 --> 00:23:48,710
when Jan explained but you know chase we

570
00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:52,100
can't always just present our side or

571
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:55,070
the side we just want the people to know

572
00:24:00,880 --> 00:23:58,250
why don't we give the public the entire

573
00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:00,890
story which also includes this other end

574
00:24:06,550 --> 00:24:03,620
and I thought you know what all these TV

575
00:24:08,050 --> 00:24:06,560
shows or you know blogs and you know all

576
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:08,060
the information we're getting out here

577
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,930
they typically set up so that you're

578
00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:14,240
they're telling you what's going on and

579
00:24:18,670 --> 00:24:15,320
what you need to believe and this is

580
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:18,680
what happened and done I love that Jan

581
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:21,710
stepped out of the box and he took a lot

582
00:24:27,970 --> 00:24:24,650
of heat for it except it was the biggest

583
00:24:29,140 --> 00:24:27,980
suppose iam in history it tripled last

584
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:29,150
year in

585
00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:32,210
birds you know in revenue and it was I

586
00:24:36,340 --> 00:24:34,580
think it was a stroke of brilliance that

587
00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:36,350
he presented the whole case and let the

588
00:24:41,650 --> 00:24:38,630
public decide this time these are the

589
00:24:45,070 --> 00:24:41,660
best witnesses on both sides what do you

590
00:24:46,510 --> 00:24:45,080
guys think because it's a symposium and

591
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:46,520
it's also our fundraiser

592
00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:48,410
you know everybody hates to bring money

593
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:50,120
and ufology but somebody's got to pay

594
00:24:55,270 --> 00:24:52,250
the bills and the office space and the

595
00:24:59,170 --> 00:24:55,280
you know and it's our fundraiser

596
00:25:01,090 --> 00:24:59,180
why wouldn't we try to create the kind

597
00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:01,100
of list that would give us the numbers

598
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,460
we had last year so it for a business

599
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:06,320
send to MUFON it was brilliant

600
00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:08,809
but he's still taking hits for giving

601
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:11,480
these people a little stage time and I

602
00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:14,450
get that yeah but I also understand even

603
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,660
I found myself going in there because I

604
00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:20,000
only knew a part of what some of these

605
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:22,790
speakers that I didn't care for I only

606
00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:24,110
knew a little bit of this story because

607
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:25,700
I shut down so quickly

608
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:28,010
let me hear all of what they have to say

609
00:25:34,060 --> 00:25:30,950
I came out with the same opinion but at

610
00:25:36,669 --> 00:25:34,070
least I barely gave it some weight right

611
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:36,679
well you know Jan is a smart guy there's

612
00:25:42,370 --> 00:25:38,090
no doubt about it

613
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:42,380
and so there you know that move on took

614
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:45,650
a little bit of other hits this year how

615
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:48,410
has as far as you know I don't know how

616
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:49,970
much you know about the inner workings

617
00:25:58,530 --> 00:25:55,520
but what is the membership going like we

618
00:26:03,100 --> 00:25:58,540
did take some hits and it's unfortunate

619
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:03,110
you know some we kind of asked for and

620
00:26:08,890 --> 00:26:06,890
some and some were unfair and I I think

621
00:26:12,010 --> 00:26:08,900
it was I call it kind of almost a

622
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:12,020
sifting you know every few years and

623
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,809
ufology you know something riles up and

624
00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:17,200
you know people leave because you know

625
00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:19,550
they're disgusted with it or whatever

626
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:22,670
and in this case we had a couple

627
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:26,690
incidences that caused some of some of

628
00:26:31,570 --> 00:26:29,600
our vets some of our veteran ufologists

629
00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:31,580
that have been doing this for 40 and 50

630
00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:35,630
years versus my little 25 but you know

631
00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:40,820
to leave MUFON and yeah it kind of hurt

632
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:42,350
its stung and move

633
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:44,090
you know nobody likes to lose some of

634
00:26:48,610 --> 00:26:46,010
our grades or some of the people that

635
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:48,620
have really movers and shakers and yet

636
00:26:53,409 --> 00:26:51,049
at the same time we're not going to

637
00:26:56,169 --> 00:26:53,419
affect change or kind of keep people

638
00:26:58,779 --> 00:26:56,179
honest we all know that I left because I

639
00:27:00,730 --> 00:26:58,789
caught a few a few people with their

640
00:27:02,590 --> 00:27:00,740
hands in the cookie jar and when I left

641
00:27:05,260 --> 00:27:02,600
I called them out by name they're not

642
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:05,270
there anymore we can't fix things by

643
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:11,440
just quitting and I really do think that

644
00:27:16,990 --> 00:27:13,730
MUFON has to change in the direction

645
00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:17,000
it's going to remain viable and visible

646
00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:21,140
and relevant and yet we have people that

647
00:27:25,299 --> 00:27:23,990
you know just don't think that you know

648
00:27:27,010 --> 00:27:25,309
everything should stay the same because

649
00:27:28,779 --> 00:27:27,020
why are we falling into that trap and

650
00:27:31,390 --> 00:27:28,789
I'm you know so it's a business decision

651
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:31,400
at this point and if anybody thinks that

652
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,970
you know ufology is not a business or

653
00:27:39,310 --> 00:27:36,559
you know if you have a paranormal team

654
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:39,320
hasn't been in the field that long it's

655
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:40,610
very competitive

656
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:46,730
it's very tumultuous at times but the

657
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:49,250
good news is the the loss of a few of

658
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:52,610
the losses we took stung there were a

659
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,650
couple that you know don't let the door

660
00:27:58,779 --> 00:27:56,000
hit you on the butt on the way out buddy

661
00:28:00,390 --> 00:27:58,789
because you you know how dare you have

662
00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:00,400
an opinion and say something so

663
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,590
egregious especially publicly we don't

664
00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:04,640
need people like you and our

665
00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:07,870
organization so some needed to go others

666
00:28:17,049 --> 00:28:13,220
stung but in the meantime you know we

667
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:17,059
have remarkable people coming in to

668
00:28:21,580 --> 00:28:18,770
MUFON by the droves

669
00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:21,590
and some of these physicians that we

670
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,440
were really stuck thinking how are we

671
00:28:32,770 --> 00:28:26,960
ever going to fill those shoes and we

672
00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:32,780
did so you know yeah yeah and move

673
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:34,100
founds on solid ground

674
00:28:37,539 --> 00:28:36,110
you know it's an organization that even

675
00:28:40,180 --> 00:28:37,549
if there were four people out here and

676
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:40,190
and one guy at the office or Manning the

677
00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:43,730
phones MUFON is going to exist and I

678
00:28:47,049 --> 00:28:45,230
always I haven't always been a fan of

679
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:47,059
MUFON everyone knows this site is very

680
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:49,490
public in my exit and why I left and I

681
00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:50,809
called out the people I caught with

682
00:28:56,140 --> 00:28:53,150
their hand in the cookie jar and it took

683
00:28:59,680 --> 00:28:56,150
them a little time I think the hit

684
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,690
that MUFON took with the social media

685
00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:01,760
incident without getting into names and

686
00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:03,140
all that we'll just call it the social

687
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:07,460
media incident you know everybody

688
00:29:12,490 --> 00:29:09,230
clearly saw what was going on obviously

689
00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:12,500
he wasn't going to get to stay but I

690
00:29:16,810 --> 00:29:14,990
really thought that people jumped on it

691
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:16,820
way too quick this is an international

692
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:18,830
organization that has to worry about

693
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:21,890
being sued lawyers you move too quickly

694
00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:25,130
before you know the facts I really like

695
00:29:30,460 --> 00:29:26,990
that we had people that insisted on

696
00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:30,470
talking to him through the process of

697
00:29:34,780 --> 00:29:33,260
elimination kind of you know and

698
00:29:37,030 --> 00:29:34,790
bringing him in so you know because

699
00:29:38,580 --> 00:29:37,040
there was there's legalities you know

700
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:38,590
when you have an organization this big

701
00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:41,330
and people just demanded you know

702
00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:43,700
Janney's if i am right this minute well

703
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:45,320
we all knew it was coming

704
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:47,450
but we had to follow the rules in the

705
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,720
law so yeah yeah you really do yeah your

706
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,840
target now what about you know Peter

707
00:29:59,530 --> 00:29:55,520
Davenport's new Fork

708
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,540
new UFO Reporting Center does he work

709
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,520
with MUFON I know I had him on the show

710
00:30:07,150 --> 00:30:02,960
but I can't remember if I asked him that

711
00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:07,160
question as far as justification he is a

712
00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:08,840
great partner and every once in a while

713
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:11,030
I don't believe he's in MUFON and

714
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:13,250
working with us directly but we have

715
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:14,930
such a good relationship with Peter I

716
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:17,690
love Peter Davenport um I think yeah and

717
00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:19,910
he's one of our biggest heroes I mean

718
00:30:26,530 --> 00:30:22,220
that man has been Manning the our

719
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:26,540
national UFO reports for decades all by

720
00:30:30,010 --> 00:30:27,080
himself

721
00:30:34,020 --> 00:30:30,020
right what what a pioneer and and just a

722
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:34,030
remarkable man I'm very fond of him yes

723
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:36,470
we have a good relationship with him and

724
00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:37,970
there are many times he'll call Roger

725
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:40,940
Martian and say hey I got this really

726
00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:43,700
good case and I've caught talked to the

727
00:30:47,770 --> 00:30:45,320
witnesses and they would like to talk to

728
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:47,780
an investigator so he will call MUFON

729
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:51,050
and talk to Jan or Roger and or Steve

730
00:30:58,660 --> 00:30:54,050
Hudgens and did Steve Hodges as do I

731
00:31:01,330 --> 00:30:58,670
director of investigations and get an

732
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:01,340
investigator so and it's a good

733
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:01,910
partnership

734
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:04,850
MUFON works up with a lot of people yeah

735
00:31:08,830 --> 00:31:07,370
now the only thing the the poor guy

736
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:08,840
though is getting pranked I don't know

737
00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:09,240
if you

738
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:12,120
that yes it's really too bad and

739
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:16,410
hopefully that'll stop yeah because he's

740
00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:18,210
up I think he's now using the answering

741
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:19,800
machine so doesn't happen anymore

742
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:22,860
or happens less anyway so what have you

743
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:27,000
been up to up to all kinds of things I

744
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:29,220
want to hear what's going on it's so

745
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:31,590
crazy I love I love what I'm doing and

746
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:34,170
it's just a great time to be out here

747
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:39,090
for a lot of reasons the investigation

748
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:40,770
opportunities have increased to the

749
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,140
point where we can actually work with

750
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:44,880
scientist and we're working with

751
00:31:49,550 --> 00:31:47,340
legitimate independent labs and you know

752
00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:49,560
we're really able to dig in a little

753
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:54,360
further and of course I have done

754
00:32:00,290 --> 00:31:56,730
something I'm not much has happened with

755
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:00,300
it yet but remember the citizens hearing

756
00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:03,540
for disclosure I thought Steve Bassett

757
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:07,590
was amazing and that whole event was so

758
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:09,690
brilliant and I remember sitting there

759
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:13,290
in the audience and I watched these you

760
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,570
know former senators and Congress men

761
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:18,240
and women come up on a Monday morning

762
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:19,530
and they're sitting there very politely

763
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:21,000
because I got paid a lot of money to be

764
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:27,030
polite and yeah yeah well and of course

765
00:32:32,390 --> 00:32:30,210
you know it's this is the unfortunate

766
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:32,400
side effect is these things cost money

767
00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:34,290
I mean ufologists were like why would

768
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:36,270
you spend that on them this is why

769
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:38,850
because things like this happen but I

770
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:41,970
watched these guys and by Wednesday

771
00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:43,680
you've got senator dove gall going I

772
00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:47,070
agree we need to open those files what

773
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:49,880
I'm witnessing is when we have

774
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:53,670
policymakers lawmakers or people that

775
00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:56,700
really affect national change big things

776
00:33:03,250 --> 00:32:59,250
that we need done in ufology that we

777
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:03,260
need their help in declassification or

778
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:05,880
you know getting through a different

779
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:08,100
door or having the endorsement of this

780
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:10,290
senator to talk to somebody on this top

781
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:13,530
secret base what I saw was they can't be

782
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:15,570
convinced with the proper witnesses and

783
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,620
the proper material and like I said by

784
00:33:22,670 --> 00:33:21,360
Wednesday you know these people you know

785
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:22,680
and then you've got Kirkpatrick over

786
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:23,220
there saying

787
00:33:28,670 --> 00:33:25,980
oh I agree there there's a cover-up well

788
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:28,680
if they can be convinced because of our

789
00:33:36,410 --> 00:33:33,090
evidence and testimony we have an

790
00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:36,420
opportunity a real one if we present our

791
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,230
information correctly so last year I

792
00:33:45,380 --> 00:33:42,480
started paperwork to become an official

793
00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:45,390
registered no joke my name's on the

794
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:47,670
books I have an ID it's on my website I

795
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:49,500
even copied it so everyone knew this was

796
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:52,710
a legit lobbyist for the UFO movement

797
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:55,050
and Steve Bassett was such an

798
00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:58,740
inspiration because we can fill out all

799
00:34:02,390 --> 00:34:00,690
the foyers and how many times were

800
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:02,400
rejected or they say they can't find

801
00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:05,280
them and on some of the cases that we

802
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:08,430
really cannot ignore or let fall into a

803
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:11,550
waste paper basket we need partnership

804
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:14,460
so we need to start utilizing these

805
00:34:20,290 --> 00:34:16,650
avenues so I actually became a UFO

806
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:24,790
officially aha Wow so now there's two

807
00:34:32,870 --> 00:34:30,450
yes yes and you know Steve he's about

808
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,880
the disclosure and I'm more about

809
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:35,520
Science and Technology and when I talk

810
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:37,080
to them I don't ask them for disclosure

811
00:34:42,890 --> 00:34:38,940
because I kinda have a different

812
00:34:45,140 --> 00:34:42,900
attitude about DC ID I don't think the

813
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,150
best way for me or you know some of us

814
00:34:50,180 --> 00:34:47,760
to get the agenda we want done by going

815
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:50,190
up and we want it all and we demand and

816
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:51,930
you know we want disclosure right now

817
00:34:58,460 --> 00:34:53,460
it's I just don't believe it's going to

818
00:35:02,180 --> 00:34:58,470
happen so how do we get what we need to

819
00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:02,190
further you know of further help our

820
00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:03,900
witnesses or you know to get the

821
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,120
information to the public well we almost

822
00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:08,880
have to play their rules but when we do

823
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:11,340
play their rules we're winning because

824
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:14,190
the citizens hearing came out and what

825
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:17,160
we got was confirmation and I think a

826
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:19,320
lot of people missed that and the

827
00:35:24,830 --> 00:35:23,520
confirmation was when the Rendlesham

828
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:24,840
they were talking about the Rendlesham

829
00:35:31,070 --> 00:35:28,140
incident where john burroughs wasn't

830
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:31,080
getting the proper attention from his VA

831
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:33,480
benefits because they wouldn't admit

832
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:36,090
anything happened in Rendlesham the

833
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:37,170
these

834
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:39,630
policymakers were so offended that this

835
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:43,980
veteran retired sergeant couldn't get

836
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:45,990
medical over something that happened to

837
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:48,930
him while he was on duty helped him and

838
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:51,690
they had to admit something happened in

839
00:35:57,849 --> 00:35:55,140
Rendlesham because he now has gotten his

840
00:36:01,280 --> 00:35:57,859
full benefit they've done right by him

841
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,290
that's confirmation that is a huge step

842
00:36:05,539 --> 00:36:03,359
for the government and the senator to

843
00:36:08,270 --> 00:36:05,549
get involved so I'm looking at all these

844
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:08,280
things that are happening and knowing we

845
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:11,010
can no longer ignore mainstream science

846
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:15,390
or even our politicians if we have

847
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:18,420
Podesta emailing Hillary Clinton about

848
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:23,160
the UFO issue we have a chance guys and

849
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,040
we need to step on it now we can't wait

850
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:27,599
and do this in two three years we have

851
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:30,180
to do it now you know it just reminded

852
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:34,770
me this conversation that I saw George

853
00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:38,190
Knapp post on Facebook that he's going

854
00:36:43,309 --> 00:36:40,470
to have Tom DeLonge on in the next two

855
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:43,319
weeks or so and he's live on the air

856
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:44,460
he's gonna finally make that

857
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,960
announcement he's been promising for

858
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:48,240
like a year or something like that when

859
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:50,970
you mentioned John Podesta yeah and I'm

860
00:36:54,289 --> 00:36:52,380
keeping my fingers crossed because

861
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:54,299
Martin I'm not sure how you felt but

862
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:56,490
when you know Tom DeLonge first came out

863
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:58,380
I'm thinking I don't know if I'm buying

864
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:01,140
this you know a rock star you know why

865
00:37:05,809 --> 00:37:03,510
not a Linda or Richard Dolan who's been

866
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:05,819
out here how does he get that privilege

867
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:08,010
and access I just really wasn't buying

868
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:10,049
it and I thought it was more you know

869
00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:11,910
his little stunts or whatever you know

870
00:37:18,859 --> 00:37:15,270
he's he's an entertainer until friggin

871
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:18,869
WikiLeaks leaks the emails and we find

872
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,200
out this guy's legit and Podesta's

873
00:37:26,539 --> 00:37:23,760
talking about Tom DeLonge and the

874
00:37:29,299 --> 00:37:26,549
meetings and I was just like oh this is

875
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:29,309
good stuff so I just wish Tom would

876
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:32,760
embrace more of you know the legitimate

877
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:36,480
part of our community and work with us

878
00:37:41,780 --> 00:37:39,240
more because I think he'd get you know

879
00:37:44,059 --> 00:37:41,790
some of his background faster if he does

880
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,069
that but he seems to be doing all right

881
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:46,380
yeah there's almost like a disconnect I

882
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:49,170
understand what you're saying like a

883
00:37:52,580 --> 00:37:51,000
go-it-alone type of

884
00:37:56,170 --> 00:37:52,590
you know I'm not going to say that he

885
00:38:00,530 --> 00:37:56,180
thinks himself too important but perhaps

886
00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:00,540
he may think the celebrity part is the

887
00:38:05,590 --> 00:38:02,760
what's opening the doors and he's just

888
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:05,600
going to keep move forward forward as he

889
00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:08,280
has been you know I don't really know

890
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:12,030
this is all speculation I I think you're

891
00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:14,730
right and unfortunately he's never been

892
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:17,550
part of really the UFO community and I

893
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:18,780
think he doesn't know what he's missing

894
00:38:24,350 --> 00:38:22,170
because to partner with the kind of

895
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:24,360
historical information that would just

896
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:27,810
strengthen his knowledge base which is

897
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:29,850
going to make you a better debater and a

898
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:32,250
better negotiator for some of the stuff

899
00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:37,650
that he can affect in DC but you know

900
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:40,230
again you know and a celebrity got in

901
00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:43,530
the door when the rest of us haven't we

902
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:46,100
have to pay attention to why we and why

903
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:49,140
was it his approach or is it really

904
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,390
celebrity and and it would stink if it

905
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:54,240
was celebrity because we have so much

906
00:39:01,160 --> 00:38:57,810
more to offer I think there is some type

907
00:39:03,830 --> 00:39:01,170
of power in that and also you know I

908
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,840
mean he's there's power and someone that

909
00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:06,000
has a lot of money you know that being

910
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:09,840
said there it comes I know Chris Mellon

911
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:12,810
is working with him and you know the

912
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:14,970
Mellon family bank I mean you can't get

913
00:39:19,610 --> 00:39:16,890
more powerful than that unless you're

914
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:19,620
Bill Gates or someone but so yeah

915
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:21,870
they've got a lot a lot going we'll see

916
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:23,970
what happens and we'll see what happens

917
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:25,500
with george knapp in just a couple of

918
00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:26,090
weeks

919
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:30,150
I'm glad George is on it though yeah I

920
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:31,530
like George I trust George

921
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,890
yes what I don't trust is who Tom

922
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:36,720
DeLonge is getting in bed with like you

923
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:38,910
said you have these major banks you know

924
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:41,010
are they using him for disinformation

925
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:42,810
you know we've seen this happen

926
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,290
historically throughout the UFO field

927
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:48,240
when you know even the Benowitz case

928
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:53,160
with Doty Richard Doty you know that

929
00:39:57,860 --> 00:39:55,800
absolutely decimates this guy and you

930
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:57,870
know on a documentary being filmed

931
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:00,300
he's almost bragging and giggling about

932
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:03,210
how silly this man was and how easy was

933
00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:03,990
you

934
00:40:09,830 --> 00:40:07,950
hope I never see this man at a

935
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:09,840
conference because I'm so offended by

936
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:11,490
what he's done and ruin in people's

937
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,410
lives but then he did the same thing

938
00:40:17,410 --> 00:40:15,660
with Linda and then openly admitted that

939
00:40:22,850 --> 00:40:17,420
they had a campaign for disinformation

940
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:22,860
so unfortunately with Tom DeLonge going

941
00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:26,850
in not only solo but keeping you know

942
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:28,590
getting in bed with some of these you

943
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:31,650
know big money and interest I'm not sure

944
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:33,540
it depends on what he has to say if I'm

945
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,430
gonna buy it hook line and sinker well

946
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:36,720
we've been here before

947
00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:40,170
yeah going back to I didn't mean to lead

948
00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:42,030
you in that direction when it came to

949
00:40:46,820 --> 00:40:44,430
Chris Mullin because Chris Mullin thinks

950
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:46,830
there's something going on he used to

951
00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:48,510
work for the Department of the DoD

952
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:51,540
and he was Yetta

953
00:40:57,380 --> 00:40:55,050
the highest level of you know clearance

954
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:57,390
and so he definitely thinks something's

955
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:00,900
going on and right right but it's this

956
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:03,210
money behind and you know you're using

957
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:06,090
people saying you know don't have your

958
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:08,040
right it's you know even the government

959
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,950
bringing him in it's almost it depends

960
00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:12,960
on what he has to say I would feel

961
00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:16,920
better if some of this discussion was

962
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:19,220
done with a few of our people and

963
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:22,320
meaning like a Richard Dolan or you know

964
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:24,930
somebody of his caliber that would not

965
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:27,900
only understand the history but would

966
00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:29,790
ask for vetting you know I'm not going

967
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,100
to just look at a file I'm gonna want to

968
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:35,520
vet that DoD document and I'm not sure

969
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:38,040
Tom DeLonge would do that it I'm not

970
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:39,450
saying he isn't it's just that these

971
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:40,920
were gonna be my concerns

972
00:41:45,020 --> 00:41:42,900
until I hear what he has to say and I

973
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:45,030
and I hope we're we're all jumping up

974
00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:47,130
and down right right

975
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:49,830
I know we've like you said I think it's

976
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,690
pretty funny every few years

977
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:53,520
there's some type of fiasco we can go

978
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:55,770
back to the Roswell slides and you know

979
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:57,330
a number of different things that have

980
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,160
happened over the years and you know I

981
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:05,040
think the one that died out was the

982
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:07,260
three fingered alien there that looked

983
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,210
like it was covered in plaster we're not

984
00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:11,760
hearing anything about that anymore well

985
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:14,430
and a guy is still putting out that

986
00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:16,410
there further testing and there's more

987
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:17,800
information but

988
00:42:26,310 --> 00:42:22,720
that DNA test was leaked it was leaked

989
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,320
and you know even I posted it because

990
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:28,000
once it was already on socials I'm like

991
00:42:31,890 --> 00:42:29,670
I'm gonna go ahead and post it because

992
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:31,900
the other thing I was fascinated with

993
00:42:37,050 --> 00:42:35,230
was it was the same Paleo no DNA lab up

994
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:37,060
in Canada that you know I've used for

995
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:39,970
the Starchild skull and that we've used

996
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:44,170
for the elongated skulls in Peru that la

997
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:45,610
Marzulli is leading that investigation

998
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:48,370
and expedition team but I'm part of it

999
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:52,480
we've taken over 300 DNA samples out of

1000
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,560
Peru and and having these tested and in

1001
00:43:01,500 --> 00:42:58,480
fact we're starting to get some results

1002
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:01,510
in but that's gonna have to be announced

1003
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:03,100
Ellie wants to hold a press conference

1004
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:06,370
in Texas and because this is pretty good

1005
00:43:13,050 --> 00:43:09,610
but you know it's the same lab and this

1006
00:43:16,890 --> 00:43:13,060
is a legit scientific lab I don't use

1007
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:16,900
UFO analysts I kind of feel like that's

1008
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:19,270
the prosecution trying to use their own

1009
00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:21,850
experts and win a case and it'd be

1010
00:43:26,490 --> 00:43:24,820
balanced and fair I will only use people

1011
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:26,500
that have nothing to do with this to

1012
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:28,930
have absolutely a dispassionate no

1013
00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:32,110
interest in UFOs and I typically don't

1014
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:34,390
even tell them when we sent the DNA up

1015
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:36,490
for the Starchild we didn't say who this

1016
00:43:41,970 --> 00:43:38,230
is the Starchild that we think it's this

1017
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:41,980
it's like you do DNA of you know ancient

1018
00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:46,290
remains in a pail you know you know era

1019
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:48,790
here's some DNA here's some samples we'd

1020
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:52,420
like you to test it that is and so let's

1021
00:43:59,090 --> 00:43:53,740
let's hear what

1022
00:44:02,580 --> 00:43:59,100
gaius DNA report says completely human

1023
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:02,590
Sharlee human yeah and in fact it's kind

1024
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:05,170
of the same kind of test result that we

1025
00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:06,970
got back with the Starchild because the

1026
00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:10,060
DNA that we submitted they got the

1027
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:12,760
nuclear from which I'm very proud of by

1028
00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:17,800
the way and yeah yeah yeah and there is

1029
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:19,240
there was nothing there was no

1030
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:22,330
phenotypic distinction that even

1031
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,000
remotely deviated or diverted from human

1032
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:29,760
so there was not even a reason to say

1033
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:31,720
you know May

1034
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:33,609
we didn't get the test done or maybe

1035
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:35,530
there was a contaminant or you know

1036
00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:38,650
there's this phenotypic genetic code or

1037
00:44:44,609 --> 00:44:41,320
red flag that we might need to test

1038
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:44,619
further they were so completely human so

1039
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:48,010
now what yeah no I want to talk a little

1040
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:50,410
bit about this the Starchild skull but

1041
00:44:58,290 --> 00:44:54,400
before that what about Steve Steven

1042
00:45:01,410 --> 00:44:58,300
Greer I watched his last documentary and

1043
00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:01,420
he's still saying that most likely that

1044
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:04,420
little atacama baby alien thing is an

1045
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:10,420
alien now the DNA tested out human yeah

1046
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:14,650
it's um and unfortunately I when we were

1047
00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:17,650
working on the Starchild skull I wanted

1048
00:45:22,589 --> 00:45:19,420
I didn't want to stand on Lloyd Pye

1049
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:22,599
shoulders I wanted to open this case and

1050
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:26,560
begin it not where he left off he was so

1051
00:45:31,290 --> 00:45:28,270
respected and loved and we wanted to

1052
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:31,300
honor his work as his work yes and so we

1053
00:45:36,570 --> 00:45:34,090
opened the case as brand new new set of

1054
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:36,580
eyes it's a cold case you know just like

1055
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:38,830
any like police officer would have done

1056
00:45:44,339 --> 00:45:41,410
but the first thing I did was take it to

1057
00:45:44,849 --> 00:45:44,349
the osteology Museum because it's a

1058
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:44,859
skull

1059
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:47,230
I would like to have a bone specialist

1060
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,710
or a bone expert tell us you know about

1061
00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:52,480
all the anomalies and all the

1062
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:54,849
accusations on the skull and when we

1063
00:45:59,700 --> 00:45:57,250
were there in the back room and this

1064
00:46:01,500 --> 00:45:59,710
osteology museum is in Oklahoma City if

1065
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:01,510
anybody gets a chance to go there the

1066
00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:04,570
coolest Museum ever in the back room

1067
00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:06,790
he's just has cabinet after cabinet with

1068
00:46:13,770 --> 00:46:09,640
tray after tray of all of these and he

1069
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:13,780
pulled out probably 40 4-0 of those

1070
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:15,609
little bodies that look just like wow

1071
00:46:23,220 --> 00:46:19,800
even great they're still borns they're

1072
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,230
aborted that one was you know eight

1073
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:25,599
years old though you know I mean I don't

1074
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:27,550
know where they came up with that the

1075
00:46:32,099 --> 00:46:30,730
where the joints or something you see

1076
00:46:34,339 --> 00:46:32,109
and this is where we have to start

1077
00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:34,349
bedding because we have a shocking

1078
00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:38,020
shocking revelation that came out with

1079
00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:39,670
the Starchild skull we had two of them

1080
00:46:45,210 --> 00:46:42,670
actually but about that baby

1081
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:45,220
well what tests what

1082
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:47,230
test did you do that came out and

1083
00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:49,810
where's the data where's this thing that

1084
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:52,900
I can look at and be convinced that this

1085
00:47:00,329 --> 00:46:56,710
little baby has lived eight years of age

1086
00:47:02,460 --> 00:47:00,339
I want the science behind it and yeah

1087
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:02,470
it's a proclamation well it lived to be

1088
00:47:08,339 --> 00:47:04,990
eighteen because of the lungs well can I

1089
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,349
see that report right and I also want to

1090
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:11,200
vet who did the report and where was the

1091
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:14,050
study done and how was that process

1092
00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:17,890
handled because this is what we ran into

1093
00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:20,470
with the Starchild skull is not

1094
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:22,780
everybody who claimed to be that expert

1095
00:47:30,030 --> 00:47:26,140
turned out to be an expert and this is

1096
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:30,040
very clear so it's the same thing with

1097
00:47:36,059 --> 00:47:34,000
that eight years old I want to know how

1098
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:36,069
they came up with that and I want to

1099
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:37,750
know all of it and I want to see it in

1100
00:47:41,339 --> 00:47:39,490
the reports if you're saying the the

1101
00:47:43,319 --> 00:47:41,349
wear and tear on the joint I want to see

1102
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:43,329
the joint compared to a normal one and

1103
00:47:49,710 --> 00:47:46,329
you know this is we have to be this

1104
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:49,720
discerning because these hoaxes you know

1105
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:50,410
the fairy

1106
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:52,270
remember the little winged fairy hoax

1107
00:47:58,589 --> 00:47:55,599
and you know the guy in mummies down

1108
00:48:01,380 --> 00:47:58,599
there and you remember the headline DNA

1109
00:48:03,809 --> 00:48:01,390
proves Nephilim coming from Brian

1110
00:48:07,230 --> 00:48:03,819
forests or out of South America it's

1111
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:07,240
like no it really didn't it's completely

1112
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:09,970
human so we've just heard this we have

1113
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:14,050
to really start being hard on our

1114
00:48:20,099 --> 00:48:17,470
investigators myself included and we

1115
00:48:22,290 --> 00:48:20,109
have to really pay attention to what

1116
00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:22,300
skeptics are saying they keep us honest

1117
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:24,220
and they let me know where the holes are

1118
00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:27,970
in my case you know so if when we

1119
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:30,700
decided to reveal all the testing and

1120
00:48:33,930 --> 00:48:31,690
everything we had done with the

1121
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:33,940
Starchild skull everything's up there

1122
00:48:38,550 --> 00:48:36,430
how many times do you see a DNA report

1123
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:38,560
that they didn't take away where where

1124
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:39,910
they had it done like it's some big

1125
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:41,800
secret we're gonna keep our labs to

1126
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:45,520
ourselves you know it's like oh no no

1127
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:48,730
that's leap yeah red flags go everywhere

1128
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:51,310
just for the listener that is not

1129
00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:52,270
familiar

1130
00:48:57,850 --> 00:48:56,560
I had Lloyd Pye on my show years ago he

1131
00:49:01,300 --> 00:48:57,860
passed away I think probably

1132
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:01,310
three years ago or more right so Lloyd

1133
00:49:08,410 --> 00:49:05,090
was a great a great guy he had worked

1134
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:08,420
with what was called the Starchild skull

1135
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:10,700
I think I can't remember how that was

1136
00:49:17,860 --> 00:49:15,440
coined but it was something found well

1137
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,870
chase you know the whole background it

1138
00:49:20,830 --> 00:49:19,280
was found in a cave I believe with

1139
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:20,840
another body leaning against it or

1140
00:49:25,690 --> 00:49:22,910
something like that but it did have an

1141
00:49:29,050 --> 00:49:25,700
elongated skull you can google it

1142
00:49:32,590 --> 00:49:29,060
yourself Starchild skull and Lloyd Pye

1143
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:32,600
and you will see it come up very very

1144
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:36,110
odd-looking thing but end up you know

1145
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:40,490
the wah-wah-wah music it was human it is

1146
00:49:48,190 --> 00:49:46,250
and you know Lloyd when he was sick he

1147
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:48,200
was very close with Melanie Young who is

1148
00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:49,910
the original owner and was always the

1149
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:52,670
owner of the Starchild skull she made a

1150
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:54,110
promise to Lloyd that she would finish

1151
00:49:58,420 --> 00:49:56,690
the work and this was something that

1152
00:50:02,520 --> 00:49:58,430
meant a lot to him when she said it to

1153
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,530
him you know as as he was fading and

1154
00:50:09,370 --> 00:50:04,640
becoming more and more sick he was

1155
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:09,380
terminally ill and she really took a lot

1156
00:50:13,390 --> 00:50:11,450
of heat for opening it up and everybody

1157
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:13,400
wanted Lloyd's work to be left alone and

1158
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:16,010
you know after two years it took her two

1159
00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:17,660
years to say you know what I made that

1160
00:50:20,830 --> 00:50:19,460
promise to him he didn't want this just

1161
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:20,840
sitting on a shelf he wanted this

1162
00:50:27,550 --> 00:50:24,290
finished and you know and in Lloyd's own

1163
00:50:30,610 --> 00:50:27,560
words in his own book his goal no matter

1164
00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:30,620
what where it went he was bound to

1165
00:50:38,110 --> 00:50:35,140
determined he just wanted the truth and

1166
00:50:41,230 --> 00:50:38,120
harmony go ahead well you know and I

1167
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,240
think what happened is when we started

1168
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,040
doing all our investigation and coming

1169
00:50:47,470 --> 00:50:45,680
up with some of these test results we

1170
00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:47,480
would find out that he had the same test

1171
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:51,740
results but Wiley would keep pushing

1172
00:50:57,070 --> 00:50:54,250
forward with the hybrid or the alien

1173
00:50:59,170 --> 00:50:57,080
narrative was because there were a few

1174
00:51:02,110 --> 00:50:59,180
experts on his team that were saying

1175
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:02,120
this and giving him real evidence the

1176
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:06,890
problem is it was fake and if you look

1177
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:10,190
at the Starchild project website they

1178
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:12,170
very openly Poe

1179
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:16,400
DNA test from trace labs bold labs trace

1180
00:51:21,310 --> 00:51:19,010
genetics Gary Nolan of Stanton

1181
00:51:22,810 --> 00:51:21,320
University who also did Greer's Adam ah

1182
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:22,820
baby

1183
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:25,640
and those three DNA tests were done all

1184
00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:28,370
of them came out mitochondrial only

1185
00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:31,190
because there was no nuclear extracted

1186
00:51:37,090 --> 00:51:33,470
but they knew that the mom was

1187
00:51:40,660 --> 00:51:37,100
absolutely female and haplogroup C which

1188
00:51:42,070 --> 00:51:40,670
is Native American so there was this

1189
00:51:44,830 --> 00:51:42,080
fourth geneticist

1190
00:51:47,830 --> 00:51:44,840
in the report and this is the where

1191
00:51:51,490 --> 00:51:47,840
you're getting the Fox pee you know

1192
00:51:53,650 --> 00:51:51,500
enigma discussion into this and there's

1193
00:51:55,870 --> 00:51:53,660
even these little graphs but they're not

1194
00:51:58,090 --> 00:51:55,880
real science lab graphs they're

1195
00:52:00,310 --> 00:51:58,100
Photoshop graphs because they're just

1196
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:00,320
illustrating what he means but that's

1197
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:04,310
not clear right away if that makes sense

1198
00:52:11,890 --> 00:52:08,390
well I kept wondering well why is this

1199
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:11,900
guy's stuff completely or this lab so

1200
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:13,310
completely different from everyone

1201
00:52:20,050 --> 00:52:17,330
else's including ours and I'm telling

1202
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:20,060
you Martin you find out and I know Lloyd

1203
00:52:26,860 --> 00:52:23,030
did not know this you find out that that

1204
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:26,870
man is not only not a geneticist he

1205
00:52:32,140 --> 00:52:29,210
doesn't have access to a lab he's a

1206
00:52:34,930 --> 00:52:32,150
virologist and he works on Lyme disease

1207
00:52:37,390 --> 00:52:34,940
he's a foreign national here on a work

1208
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:37,400
visa to study Lyme disease and that's it

1209
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:39,410
he worked at a university and was

1210
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:41,810
eventually terminated for unethical

1211
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:45,710
behavior so you know and I and I know

1212
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:47,390
Lloyd didn't know this I mean the he

1213
00:52:52,540 --> 00:52:51,110
comes across so legit like I was fooled

1214
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:52,550
for the you know first year I'm just

1215
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:54,650
like wow like and I'm digging into this

1216
00:52:59,410 --> 00:52:57,680
fox pee and all that and it doesn't make

1217
00:53:02,160 --> 00:52:59,420
sense geneticist don't even talk like

1218
00:53:05,170 --> 00:53:02,170
that that's not half that vocabulary

1219
00:53:06,220 --> 00:53:05,180
isn't even in their books I mean people

1220
00:53:09,730 --> 00:53:06,230
are looking at me like where are you

1221
00:53:12,850 --> 00:53:09,740
getting this crap so I vetted the guy

1222
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:12,860
behind the science and this is what we

1223
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:15,890
found and then to find out I'll even

1224
00:53:23,470 --> 00:53:20,690
tell you further the whole DNA from the

1225
00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:23,480
Nephilim headline this was this

1226
00:53:29,570 --> 00:53:25,560
geneticist that was work

1227
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:29,580
that DNA I remember Melba Ketchum oh yes

1228
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:31,470
dr. Miller and the Bigfoot yeah

1229
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,490
same DNA guy all these guy oh my gosh I

1230
00:53:40,310 --> 00:53:37,440
and then when I find all this out and

1231
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:40,320
this whole trail that he ruined Melba

1232
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:44,220
Ketchum you know Brian Forester looks

1233
00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:46,140
like you know a used car salesman in a

1234
00:53:52,550 --> 00:53:48,840
fold because you know the big DNA proves

1235
00:53:53,780 --> 00:53:52,560
nepheline well my first question is well

1236
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:53,790
where'd you get the comparison that you

1237
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:56,130
know that's nepheline like it's half

1238
00:54:03,590 --> 00:54:00,240
angel half human like a the things

1239
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:03,600
coming out so it really was a big lesson

1240
00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:05,190
that I really like to talk to other

1241
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:08,070
investigators and say guys that you're

1242
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:11,610
scientist because not all of them are

1243
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:13,770
who they say they are although they

1244
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:18,330
present letterhead and it just it's the

1245
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:20,310
same guy behind almost every hoax we

1246
00:54:25,820 --> 00:54:24,210
have unreal yep and I would love to name

1247
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:25,830
I would love to name him and call him

1248
00:54:29,810 --> 00:54:28,110
out I know exactly who he is and the

1249
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:29,820
only reason I don't Martin and you know

1250
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:33,260
me this is killing me it's because I

1251
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:35,640
promised the Starchild project I would

1252
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:38,760
not and there are private reasons that I

1253
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:41,310
promise not to out why they needed me to

1254
00:54:47,420 --> 00:54:45,180
knock out this guy and but it's killing

1255
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,430
me I wanted to scream his name from the

1256
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:50,240
rooftops because he's been lying and

1257
00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:54,240
really causing a lot of personal trauma

1258
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,070
with some of these good researchers

1259
00:55:01,100 --> 00:54:58,800
Melba was a great veterinarian yes he

1260
00:55:02,510 --> 00:55:01,110
ruined her ruined her Wow reputation

1261
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:02,520
I've you know who's gonna believe it

1262
00:55:06,350 --> 00:55:03,450
it's crazy

1263
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:06,360
terrible well if you happen to you know

1264
00:55:12,350 --> 00:55:10,050
text me his name on skype you know I

1265
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:12,360
might slip and say who it is I'll tell

1266
00:55:18,350 --> 00:55:16,230
you I keep integrity sometimes is hard

1267
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:18,360
it's really really hard because I've

1268
00:55:22,580 --> 00:55:20,040
wanted to do that a hundred times and

1269
00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:22,590
and it may come out it won't be for me

1270
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:24,750
but there is somebody else that's kind

1271
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:29,220
of in this whole mix that is just so

1272
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:32,250
offended completely offended because

1273
00:55:38,860 --> 00:55:35,610
Lloyd believed him and Lloyd was not

1274
00:55:41,830 --> 00:55:38,870
foolish he was not gullible

1275
00:55:44,140 --> 00:55:41,840
but it was this guy was that good you

1276
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,150
know much like the gaya mummies you know

1277
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:46,160
how many people in it and the minute the

1278
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:47,690
tests don't come out oh it's a cover-up

1279
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:49,610
you know the government's hiding that

1280
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:52,250
they're really you know so you know

1281
00:55:57,340 --> 00:55:55,010
there's you can only tell the truth and

1282
00:56:00,250 --> 00:55:57,350
hope people understand it what was

1283
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:00,260
what's that phrase I heard you say again

1284
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:02,770
about the science I love that phrase

1285
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,050
science doesn't care what we believe

1286
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:07,280
that's right I actually have hatches

1287
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:08,990
made up of that because it's you know

1288
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,530
it's turned it's it's Kerry McClure and

1289
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:15,200
I work together on kind of my

1290
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:17,390
independent projects so you know I work

1291
00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:21,710
very hard and a lot with MUFON but I

1292
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:23,390
also have independent things I like to

1293
00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:25,250
keep you know in my pocket I don't put

1294
00:56:27,850 --> 00:56:27,140
all my eggs in anyone's basket if that

1295
00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:27,860
makes sense

1296
00:56:33,730 --> 00:56:30,350
I love MUFON but I like to do other

1297
00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:33,740
things too yeah oh I think the last time

1298
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:35,990
I had you on a full show you had just

1299
00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:38,720
come back from Peru was it Peru mm-hmm

1300
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:41,150
yeah yes so that was that was pretty

1301
00:56:46,540 --> 00:56:44,720
exciting we're still going down there la

1302
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,550
had us down there for a second time and

1303
00:56:53,260 --> 00:56:49,040
I have to I have to say Martin I'm

1304
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:53,270
standing there in the back room of one

1305
00:56:59,110 --> 00:56:56,290
of the most prestigious museums in Peru

1306
00:57:02,740 --> 00:56:59,120
with permission from the Ministry of

1307
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:02,750
Culture who invited us to take DNA on

1308
00:57:08,290 --> 00:57:05,450
some of their most anomalous skulls that

1309
00:57:11,230 --> 00:57:08,300
they picked out and asked us to do and

1310
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:11,240
the reason yeah I'm a UFO investigator

1311
00:57:17,530 --> 00:57:13,370
I'm standing there like how did I get

1312
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,540
here where I'm extracting DNA samples

1313
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:19,040
you know most people don't realize

1314
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:21,110
there's no certification for evidence

1315
00:57:27,070 --> 00:57:25,130
collection the certification and college

1316
00:57:30,070 --> 00:57:27,080
degrees come with the processing of it

1317
00:57:34,420 --> 00:57:30,080
but anybody can pick up evidence now if

1318
00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:34,430
it's worth worthy or viable in a lab you

1319
00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:35,480
know you've got to do it right you have

1320
00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:37,880
to know what you're doing but you don't

1321
00:57:43,050 --> 00:57:40,280
have that right you don't have to have a

1322
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:43,060
degree anybody can do this and I've just

1323
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:45,980
really liked it so I've honed in my

1324
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:49,910
skills and really did a lot of training

1325
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:52,190
and a lot of study and

1326
00:57:57,850 --> 00:57:54,290
figured out you know how to make this

1327
00:58:00,610 --> 00:57:57,860
happen and I now have well over 300 I

1328
00:58:04,270 --> 00:58:00,620
probably about almost 400 forensic

1329
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:04,280
samples that have produced perfect

1330
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:07,490
results from laboratories it's crazy now

1331
00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:09,410
let me ask you something I've always

1332
00:58:15,340 --> 00:58:12,020
heard that DNA testing can be very

1333
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:15,350
expensive it is and I don't know if you

1334
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,910
can even throw a number out there for

1335
00:58:21,250 --> 00:58:19,040
instance what it costs for the Starchild

1336
00:58:25,060 --> 00:58:21,260
but who would fund something like that

1337
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,070
we did or I better phrase my husband

1338
00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:26,960
pays for it and because I don't work

1339
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:30,470
like I don't have a job that pays money

1340
00:58:37,060 --> 00:58:34,490
this is what I do and and Melanie and

1341
00:58:39,610 --> 00:58:37,070
and Carrie this is all out of our pocket

1342
00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:39,620
the Starchild project it became a

1343
00:58:44,740 --> 00:58:42,320
corporation and they needed to because

1344
00:58:48,310 --> 00:58:44,750
there were books and movie deals and all

1345
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:48,320
this and they take donations and but

1346
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:52,010
I've never done that and I don't want to

1347
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:56,110
I think for an investigator to be paid

1348
00:59:01,150 --> 00:58:58,490
somebody wants something in return

1349
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:01,160
and this way we completely keep the

1350
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:03,970
integrity of just dispassionate look a

1351
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:08,570
scientific method transparent and every

1352
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:11,210
single thing including who exactly

1353
00:59:15,970 --> 00:59:13,610
touched that sample we want the public

1354
00:59:19,420 --> 00:59:15,980
to have everything so no we've never

1355
00:59:21,070 --> 00:59:19,430
accepted a dime never and that's why it

1356
00:59:24,370 --> 00:59:21,080
took so long to get it done as well

1357
00:59:25,660 --> 00:59:24,380
because you know I tried to sell books

1358
00:59:28,330 --> 00:59:25,670
you know I wrote a book called

1359
00:59:30,940 --> 00:59:28,340
admissible with Richard Dolan you know

1360
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:30,950
just you try to speak at conferences and

1361
00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:32,930
you know every once in a while there's

1362
00:59:36,670 --> 00:59:34,670
very generous with an honorarium

1363
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:36,680
everything we do goes right back into

1364
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:40,670
the next test or you know so we we try

1365
00:59:46,540 --> 00:59:42,530
to get out there and do some things to

1366
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:46,550
help but and we had very generous people

1367
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:49,370
oh my gosh Martin people offered to give

1368
00:59:54,730 --> 00:59:51,410
us money and we just couldn't take it

1369
01:00:01,740 --> 00:59:54,740
from the public we had to maintain that

1370
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:01,750
100% you know on our own we had to and

1371
01:00:05,890 --> 01:00:04,310
people were so generous I mean imagine

1372
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:05,900
turning down a 10,000

1373
01:00:12,009 --> 01:00:09,680
offer chase I'll pay for the for the DNA

1374
01:00:13,479 --> 01:00:12,019
and I could we just couldn't do it we

1375
01:00:16,089 --> 01:00:13,489
had to do it on our own and scrape

1376
01:00:18,009 --> 01:00:16,099
pennies and you know almost mow lawns

1377
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:18,019
for my neighbor's I would get desperate

1378
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:20,210
I didn't care I didn't care anymore but

1379
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,170
we made it happen

1380
01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:23,359
it worked I wish our government would do

1381
01:00:27,969 --> 01:00:25,670
that instead of the campaign stuff going

1382
01:00:31,569 --> 01:00:27,979
yeah right exactly you'd be a lot

1383
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:31,579
straighter wouldn't it yeah so this is

1384
01:00:38,890 --> 01:00:34,880
this is interesting it came back after

1385
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:38,900
all this time as how many years how long

1386
01:00:44,589 --> 01:00:42,049
ago did did Lloyd first start working on

1387
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:44,599
this it was by the time I got the skull

1388
01:00:51,759 --> 01:00:48,529
this had been in his camp and in his

1389
01:00:55,450 --> 01:00:51,769
hands for almost 20 years he devoted all

1390
01:00:57,519 --> 01:00:55,460
of his life he was actually a Bigfoot

1391
01:00:59,950 --> 01:00:57,529
researcher and he loved the study of

1392
01:01:02,349 --> 01:00:59,960
human origins and once he got the

1393
01:01:06,190 --> 01:01:02,359
Starchild skull it it just kind of

1394
01:01:10,479 --> 01:01:06,200
captivates you and I I see how that

1395
01:01:15,279 --> 01:01:10,489
could happen I have the skull here you

1396
01:01:16,839 --> 01:01:15,289
have I have I have the it's a first one

1397
01:01:19,289 --> 01:01:16,849
of the first things we did was mold it

1398
01:01:23,170 --> 01:01:19,299
because what I wanted was a photograph

1399
01:01:25,390 --> 01:01:23,180
perfect copy of the Starchild available

1400
01:01:28,809 --> 01:01:25,400
because at this point we already knew

1401
01:01:32,140 --> 01:01:28,819
that this Starchild was at least half

1402
01:01:33,789 --> 01:01:32,150
Native American oh my gosh Martin

1403
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:33,799
everything stopped there's huge red

1404
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:38,960
lights Native American remains must be

1405
01:01:45,279 --> 01:01:42,319
honored and you cannot display profit

1406
01:01:47,739 --> 01:01:45,289
from transport oh my gosh you know when

1407
01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:47,749
we started looking into the laws we were

1408
01:01:52,299 --> 01:01:49,460
up against a rock and a hard release

1409
01:01:54,219 --> 01:01:52,309
serious trouble so we wanted to make

1410
01:01:56,519 --> 01:01:54,229
sure that the Starchild skull was always

1411
01:02:00,160 --> 01:01:56,529
going to be available to study at least

1412
01:02:01,660 --> 01:02:00,170
externally with other people I mean

1413
01:02:04,209 --> 01:02:01,670
there are Inca bones there are

1414
01:02:06,609 --> 01:02:04,219
concussion fractures there's a lot of

1415
01:02:08,469 --> 01:02:06,619
things on the Starchild skull that would

1416
01:02:10,809 --> 01:02:08,479
really provide a lot of information in

1417
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:10,819
the future so we wanted to have that

1418
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:13,089
done so we brought it down to Texas and

1419
01:02:19,420 --> 01:02:16,910
Joe Taylor one world premiere museum

1420
01:02:21,730 --> 01:02:19,430
molder and model maker he

1421
01:02:23,710 --> 01:02:21,740
all the big t-rex's and you know

1422
01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:23,720
everything and we had him do a

1423
01:02:27,579 --> 01:02:25,670
photograph perfect but yes it's on my

1424
01:02:29,950 --> 01:02:27,589
shelf can you ask your child for the

1425
01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:29,960
YouTube watcher can you actually go grab

1426
01:02:36,849 --> 01:02:33,430
it or is it something that's yeah yeah

1427
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:36,859
bring it over to the camera okay I'll

1428
01:02:49,150 --> 01:02:46,230
all right everyone while she is going to

1429
01:02:53,260 --> 01:02:49,160
she's going to do that we're gonna be

1430
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:53,270
talking in the second hour about she is

1431
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:54,950
going to talk about the triangle and a

1432
01:03:00,000 --> 01:02:57,920
few other things investigation she's

1433
01:03:05,650 --> 01:03:00,010
working on and all that and now she's

1434
01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:05,660
back so here we go this is so this he

1435
01:03:11,770 --> 01:03:08,270
didn't do 3d printing he actually molded

1436
01:03:14,349 --> 01:03:11,780
this instead yes and this is photograph

1437
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:14,359
perfect every detail on here has been

1438
01:03:22,569 --> 01:03:18,410
meticulously detailed you'll get over to

1439
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:22,579
the other side a little bit yeah

1440
01:03:28,030 --> 01:03:25,760
and we wanted to make sure it was not

1441
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:28,040
only available anybody can buy a copy of

1442
01:03:34,329 --> 01:03:31,839
this star child now and but we I know

1443
01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:34,339
but it's mostly we did it for the

1444
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:37,460
research and continued because we were

1445
01:03:42,579 --> 01:03:40,400
done with it without permission from the

1446
01:03:44,770 --> 01:03:42,589
proper authorities there was no more

1447
01:03:47,260 --> 01:03:44,780
extractions that we could legally do

1448
01:03:51,069 --> 01:03:47,270
thank goodness we had them all already

1449
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:51,079
and there's a part of this when you look

1450
01:03:59,789 --> 01:03:55,270
at the little skull Lloyd spending his

1451
01:04:02,109 --> 01:03:59,799
whole life I have the copy Martin and

1452
01:04:04,690 --> 01:04:02,119
some about this little skull it

1453
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:04,700
resonates I mean you feel something with

1454
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:07,130
it and you know you start looking and

1455
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:10,160
taking DNA look at this big cut out of

1456
01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:14,569
his little skull and it's just it's just

1457
01:04:19,660 --> 01:04:16,670
really hard and I did have to cut one

1458
01:04:21,010 --> 01:04:19,670
more time and I took a little piece of

1459
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:21,020
you know less than a quarter of an inch

1460
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:23,690
but because that's all we needed for

1461
01:04:30,490 --> 01:04:26,809
microscopic work electron microscopy or

1462
01:04:32,170 --> 01:04:30,500
The Sims testing but Melanie had to

1463
01:04:32,890 --> 01:04:32,180
leave the room I mean it's just it

1464
01:04:35,259 --> 01:04:32,900
breaks your heart

1465
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:35,269
because the companion skull that was

1466
01:04:41,890 --> 01:04:39,170
found with the Starchild skull anybody

1467
01:04:44,829 --> 01:04:41,900
that knows anything about human anatomy

1468
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:44,839
or osteology clearly the first thing

1469
01:04:50,579 --> 01:04:47,480
they see is the many concussion

1470
01:04:53,380 --> 01:04:50,589
fractures these guys didn't have it easy

1471
01:04:56,019 --> 01:04:53,390
right um and and the companion was a

1472
01:04:59,739 --> 01:04:56,029
female and I think we counted on almost

1473
01:05:02,700 --> 01:04:59,749
14 my goodness now where is the original

1474
01:05:06,730 --> 01:05:02,710
did it go back to where it was found

1475
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:06,740
it's in the process when the when we

1476
01:05:13,329 --> 01:05:09,710
realize our DNA came back which we had

1477
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,339
to wait for ours because we trusted the

1478
01:05:17,710 --> 01:05:15,680
labs that lloyd worked but in the

1479
01:05:20,109 --> 01:05:17,720
scientific process its tests repeat

1480
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:20,119
tests repeat so we were given the

1481
01:05:25,420 --> 01:05:23,089
permission to finish the DNA testing but

1482
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:25,430
when the mitochondrial came back

1483
01:05:31,390 --> 01:05:29,210
haplogroup c1 see you know technology is

1484
01:05:37,059 --> 01:05:31,400
even greater now so we even got a better

1485
01:05:41,170 --> 01:05:37,069
result definitive definitely Native

1486
01:05:43,569 --> 01:05:41,180
Americans so the haplogroup for the

1487
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:43,579
mighty are the paternal side first thing

1488
01:05:49,539 --> 01:05:46,880
we had done was a sex test because we

1489
01:05:51,849 --> 01:05:49,549
know in a sex test even though we were

1490
01:05:54,339 --> 01:05:51,859
certain this was a male a little boy he

1491
01:05:57,059 --> 01:05:54,349
and he is five years old there's no

1492
01:06:03,729 --> 01:06:00,279
we knew that a sex test if it came up

1493
01:06:06,670 --> 01:06:03,739
male it would have XY chromosomes where

1494
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:06,680
a female is xx so if there was a Y

1495
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:08,569
chromosome present then we know at least

1496
01:06:15,390 --> 01:06:11,930
the dad was at least partially human to

1497
01:06:18,279 --> 01:06:15,400
pass on that Y chromosome yeah so

1498
01:06:20,349 --> 01:06:18,289
somebody was treated me sorry someone

1499
01:06:22,479 --> 01:06:20,359
mentioned in the chat room you know that

1500
01:06:25,180 --> 01:06:22,489
there's a lot of deformed skulls what

1501
01:06:26,890 --> 01:06:25,190
makes this one so outstanding didn't

1502
01:06:29,499 --> 01:06:26,900
have to do with the eye settings and all

1503
01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:29,509
kinds of different things there is and

1504
01:06:35,499 --> 01:06:32,230
it's a very bulbous this is a breaky

1505
01:06:38,620 --> 01:06:35,509
brachycephalic a supple e-type it's a

1506
01:06:40,479 --> 01:06:38,630
bulbous it's not really elongated he he

1507
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:40,489
actually has flat head syndrome on the

1508
01:06:47,860 --> 01:06:44,210
back so he but this bulbous and and

1509
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:47,870
every single expert that looks at

1510
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:49,250
first thing they want to say is

1511
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:51,770
hydrocephaly and that's where you know

1512
01:06:56,290 --> 01:06:53,330
the liquid gets in the head and it makes

1513
01:06:58,210 --> 01:06:56,300
it real big the problem is is that it

1514
01:07:01,390 --> 01:06:58,220
doesn't offer any of the other

1515
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:01,400
properties other than its bulbous all

1516
01:07:06,990 --> 01:07:03,170
the other things are missing so we've

1517
01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:07,000
determined even with doctors and

1518
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:09,820
archaeologists that this is he is not

1519
01:07:19,660 --> 01:07:15,530
hydrocephalic at all so we did find the

1520
01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:19,670
paternal DNA came back haplogroup Q

1521
01:07:26,490 --> 01:07:24,560
which is indigenous South America which

1522
01:07:29,890 --> 01:07:26,500
absolutely makes sense so now we have

1523
01:07:32,770 --> 01:07:29,900
South American and Native American but

1524
01:07:37,390 --> 01:07:32,780
he was found in Mexico so I was working

1525
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:37,400
with the Bureau of Indian Affairs out of

1526
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:40,450
Washington DC I just called them and

1527
01:07:44,050 --> 01:07:42,290
worked with them because this was

1528
01:07:47,290 --> 01:07:44,060
complicated and it's an international

1529
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:47,300
case and they couldn't help us we had to

1530
01:07:51,730 --> 01:07:49,610
go to Mexico well we were a little

1531
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:51,740
nervous because you know there's a lot

1532
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:55,130
of antiquity and you know elongated

1533
01:08:01,260 --> 01:07:57,290
skulls and a lot of this stuff out of

1534
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:01,270
Peru is black market it's huge right now

1535
01:08:04,780 --> 01:08:03,470
you're kind of afraid to call them and

1536
01:08:09,010 --> 01:08:04,790
tell them because we didn't want to be

1537
01:08:11,710 --> 01:08:09,020
arrested by Mexican authorities but we

1538
01:08:14,620 --> 01:08:11,720
did work and right now where it comes

1539
01:08:17,740 --> 01:08:14,630
down to is Ruben Uriarte is working with

1540
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:17,750
Melanie young the owner and they're

1541
01:08:22,660 --> 01:08:19,670
working to repatriate and get him back

1542
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:22,670
to the area that you know we know he

1543
01:08:29,890 --> 01:08:24,670
came from which is delicious

1544
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:29,900
Chihuahua and Copper Canyon area Wow

1545
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,330
well that's interesting and it's it's

1546
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:34,400
another thing that comes to a close

1547
01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:38,000
basically and not that much to do with

1548
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:40,040
UFOs you know they thought was it

1549
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:42,530
possibly you know alien and all that you

1550
01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:45,710
know another I think it's important you

1551
01:08:51,610 --> 01:08:48,920
know there's evidence and and ancient

1552
01:08:54,579 --> 01:08:51,620
writings and even our Bible talks about

1553
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:54,589
a hybrid race on this earth and I'm

1554
01:09:00,609 --> 01:08:57,170
curious about that I want DNA I I want

1555
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:00,619
to find this hybrid race of giants or

1556
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:03,770
if there is alien hybrids here we want

1557
01:09:09,490 --> 01:09:06,650
to know about it and really digging in

1558
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:09,500
and finding more of the DNA has actually

1559
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,520
led to a lot of progress in the DNA bank

1560
01:09:18,519 --> 01:09:15,920
as well so our dad is increasing every

1561
01:09:21,490 --> 01:09:18,529
time we submit more results now one

1562
01:09:23,950 --> 01:09:21,500
thing you mentioned earlier you know how

1563
01:09:26,140 --> 01:09:23,960
would we know if it was nepheline I

1564
01:09:28,599 --> 01:09:26,150
think you said how would we know because

1565
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,609
there are no other samples what what

1566
01:09:37,089 --> 01:09:31,040
happens in a case like that if they test

1567
01:09:39,519 --> 01:09:37,099
DNA and and if it comes up unusual they

1568
01:09:41,379 --> 01:09:39,529
can't just you know a scientist isn't

1569
01:09:43,599 --> 01:09:41,389
going to jump on the bandwagon that it's

1570
01:09:45,820 --> 01:09:43,609
a hybrid or an alien or something like

1571
01:09:48,579 --> 01:09:45,830
that where do they go and new things

1572
01:09:51,490 --> 01:09:48,589
happened do you know it's it's why those

1573
01:09:54,609 --> 01:09:51,500
headlines are so offensive it's you know

1574
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:54,619
stop teasing and and you know the

1575
01:09:58,600 --> 01:09:56,810
public's counting on us you know when

1576
01:10:01,959 --> 01:09:58,610
you have names and you're known out here

1577
01:10:03,010 --> 01:10:01,969
and you make a proclamation you know we

1578
01:10:04,629 --> 01:10:03,020
have to be better than that because

1579
01:10:07,089 --> 01:10:04,639
there going to be some in the public

1580
01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:07,099
they're gonna believe us what happens

1581
01:10:12,339 --> 01:10:09,260
with that DNA is exactly what we're

1582
01:10:15,370 --> 01:10:12,349
finding with Steven Greer's there is

1583
01:10:17,740 --> 01:10:15,380
some DNA that can't be identified it

1584
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:17,750
doesn't mean it's alien it just means

1585
01:10:23,890 --> 01:10:21,170
it's not in our bank yet or it's corrupt

1586
01:10:26,109 --> 01:10:23,900
and it comes out as an unknown because

1587
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:26,119
it's so corrupted they can't identify it

1588
01:10:32,290 --> 01:10:29,050
and of course that doesn't I mean it's

1589
01:10:35,740 --> 01:10:32,300
you know alien either it just means that

1590
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:35,750
something corrupted that genome so what

1591
01:10:40,810 --> 01:10:37,760
we're finding it is just testing and

1592
01:10:43,930 --> 01:10:40,820
more testing but I have to wonder Martin

1593
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:43,940
because we're finding I've done the

1594
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,489
bobwhite metal remember the UFO case of

1595
01:10:51,879 --> 01:10:48,560
bob white where that kind of cone and

1596
01:10:54,010 --> 01:10:51,889
this metal ejected from a UFO yeah and

1597
01:10:59,890 --> 01:10:54,020
and then there was another metals case I

1598
01:11:03,550 --> 01:10:59,900
did with Benny foggin yes this one was

1599
01:11:07,629 --> 01:11:03,560
another metal they was dropped in a

1600
01:11:10,540 --> 01:11:07,639
driveway after an alleged UFO and but

1601
01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:10,550
there are several of these types of

1602
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:14,390
anomaly we're finding in the metals they

1603
01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:16,910
all have pretty much the same type of

1604
01:11:24,670 --> 01:11:19,070
alloy you would expect in metal that

1605
01:11:26,410 --> 01:11:24,680
could transverse space and and the

1606
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:26,420
universe is made up of all kind of the

1607
01:11:32,170 --> 01:11:30,080
same stuff um the moon would have more

1608
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:32,180
helium where here it's a rare earth

1609
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:35,450
mineral but we still have it it's it's

1610
01:11:44,230 --> 01:11:39,260
not exotic so now I have to wonder when

1611
01:11:47,530 --> 01:11:44,240
it comes to biology are we the only kind

1612
01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:47,540
of biology that that would progress into

1613
01:11:54,970 --> 01:11:52,190
intelligence are we closer to a grey

1614
01:11:57,970 --> 01:11:54,980
than we think we are you know where does

1615
01:12:02,710 --> 01:11:57,980
our DNA come from if we were created in

1616
01:12:06,190 --> 01:12:02,720
a likeness or we were manufactured as a

1617
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:06,200
sumerian belief system would it you know

1618
01:12:14,980 --> 01:12:10,970
would tell us or even if it's biblical

1619
01:12:17,610 --> 01:12:14,990
what does alien DNA look like so the

1620
01:12:21,700 --> 01:12:17,620
fact that these are coming back human

1621
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:21,710
may just not be that big of a deal until

1622
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:25,070
we get alien DNA or we get nepheline or

1623
01:12:34,900 --> 01:12:30,310
we get Bigfoot or you know this little

1624
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:34,910
Steven Greer does shows Emily and then

1625
01:12:40,060 --> 01:12:37,430
it's better we're getting better at the

1626
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:40,070
facts when this first came out it was

1627
01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:42,050
just unknown it made sense that people

1628
01:12:45,670 --> 01:12:43,190
would freak out I would have freaked out

1629
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:45,680
it we have a DNA genomes that came back

1630
01:12:51,670 --> 01:12:49,040
unknown now we understand that it will

1631
01:12:53,740 --> 01:12:51,680
get an unknown reading if part of that

1632
01:12:56,410 --> 01:12:53,750
genome was corrupt because they just

1633
01:13:00,130 --> 01:12:56,420
can't identify it so you know we're

1634
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:00,140
getting better at this and for me every

1635
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,010
time we solve a case it's a success I've

1636
01:13:09,070 --> 01:13:06,320
been doing this since 1994 of course I

1637
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:09,080
wanted a friggin alien I want a hybrid I

1638
01:13:13,420 --> 01:13:11,840
wanted I want I want a piece of metal I

1639
01:13:16,450 --> 01:13:13,430
want it I want that crunchy

1640
01:13:18,340 --> 01:13:16,460
you know you and it expands and first

1641
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:18,350
thing I do is call a leandro and I'll be

1642
01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:20,450
right call a leandro say I'm coming to

1643
01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:22,580
Congress with you know memory metal

1644
01:13:28,180 --> 01:13:26,900
we're showing the world yeah but when

1645
01:13:30,730 --> 01:13:28,190
it's all said and done

1646
01:13:33,340 --> 01:13:30,740
of course this is what I want so there's

1647
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,350
a huge disappointment but I'm always

1648
01:13:38,110 --> 01:13:35,360
satisfied that we did our job right and

1649
01:13:41,050 --> 01:13:38,120
that when we find the truth we can now

1650
01:13:43,390 --> 01:13:41,060
take that lead out of our pursuit okay

1651
01:13:46,210 --> 01:13:43,400
that's not legit anymore let's go on to

1652
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:46,220
the next really get next great lead we

1653
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:49,130
can follow to the truth so to me it's a

1654
01:13:53,170 --> 01:13:50,930
process of elimination we're doing our

1655
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,180
job we're doing it right we're meetin

1656
01:13:58,990 --> 01:13:56,080
admissable 'ti we're transparent so that

1657
01:14:00,610 --> 01:13:59,000
anybody in the public can say wow I'm

1658
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:00,620
interested what a Sims test looks like

1659
01:14:05,260 --> 01:14:03,260
and they'll know the lab exactly who did

1660
01:14:08,130 --> 01:14:05,270
it what their process was and every

1661
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,140
single word they wrote in their report

1662
01:14:15,390 --> 01:14:11,360
we have to we have to do it this way no

1663
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:15,400
going back to the you said it was

1664
01:14:21,490 --> 01:14:19,370
someone that was working on Lyme disease

1665
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:21,500
and they were calling themselves you

1666
01:14:28,150 --> 01:14:26,360
know a scientist isn't that fraud can't

1667
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:28,160
someone go to jail for doing something

1668
01:14:34,210 --> 01:14:31,370
like that or is it or I'll do something

1669
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:34,220
like that again he was doing it off the

1670
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:36,650
grid and that was part of the agreement

1671
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:39,170
so knowing that he worked at a

1672
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,800
university and not a legit lab so if

1673
01:14:47,170 --> 01:14:44,960
this was somebody from Paley and no DNA

1674
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:47,180
lab up in Canada that we use which is a

1675
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:50,750
legitimate you know very successful you

1676
01:14:57,310 --> 01:14:53,840
know highly accredited lab oh heck yeah

1677
01:15:00,130 --> 01:14:57,320
we could sue them but unfortunately and

1678
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:00,140
you know and we're all poor because

1679
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:02,000
we're all paying for these stupid tests

1680
01:15:05,890 --> 01:15:04,010
I mean who could afford a lawyer I hate

1681
01:15:08,620 --> 01:15:05,900
to even go after man in the first place

1682
01:15:10,060 --> 01:15:08,630
but he's also a foreign national and you

1683
01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:10,070
know when you know the whole story it

1684
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:12,830
gets even more disgusting Martin it's

1685
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:15,920
just like you know I again like please

1686
01:15:21,190 --> 01:15:18,530
let me run into this guy somewhere on

1687
01:15:22,930 --> 01:15:21,200
the street corner and everybody stand

1688
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:22,940
back for just two minutes that's right

1689
01:15:30,460 --> 01:15:26,930
you know self-defense your trained eye I

1690
01:15:32,620 --> 01:15:30,470
think at this point I wouldn't even have

1691
01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:32,630
to be I think just the rage you know

1692
01:15:37,060 --> 01:15:34,790
it's the same thing with like Richard

1693
01:15:40,930 --> 01:15:37,070
Doty you know people that just are so

1694
01:15:42,129 --> 01:15:40,940
abusive when you know that the hearts in

1695
01:15:44,739 --> 01:15:42,139
the right place and we're just looking

1696
01:15:48,189 --> 01:15:44,749
four mysteries and it's a UFO reality

1697
01:15:51,069 --> 01:15:48,199
that it's done guys we know there are

1698
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:51,079
UFOs we answered that question ten years

1699
01:15:57,729 --> 01:15:54,800
ago asked answered what we're looking

1700
01:16:00,549 --> 01:15:57,739
for now is who are they and what do they

1701
01:16:01,209 --> 01:16:00,559
want I don't even do lights in the sky

1702
01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:01,219
anymore

1703
01:16:05,109 --> 01:16:03,110
they're always only going to be a light

1704
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:05,119
in the sky we can never say that's a

1705
01:16:11,919 --> 01:16:08,570
mothership or oh that's um you know the

1706
01:16:13,839 --> 01:16:11,929
guys from Pleiades you know it's always

1707
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,849
going to be light in the sky I don't

1708
01:16:17,020 --> 01:16:15,199
want to waste my time anymore

1709
01:16:19,389 --> 01:16:17,030
I want evidence I want evidence cases

1710
01:16:23,409 --> 01:16:19,399
that produce something whether it's

1711
01:16:27,149 --> 01:16:23,419
trace evidence landing marks something

1712
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,159
that we can now test and our

1713
01:16:33,459 --> 01:16:30,320
possibilities are just doubling every

1714
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,469
year on what we can do what we can get

1715
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:35,360
remember the little tiny microscopic

1716
01:16:41,139 --> 01:16:39,199
balls that they found on a weather

1717
01:16:44,949 --> 01:16:41,149
balloon so they're testing the

1718
01:16:46,959 --> 01:16:44,959
stratosphere and collecting these little

1719
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:46,969
debris czar this thing they come back

1720
01:16:50,109 --> 01:16:48,409
and there's all these little pits and

1721
01:16:53,009 --> 01:16:50,119
this guy's like what is that and he's

1722
01:16:55,209 --> 01:16:53,019
pulling out these little metal

1723
01:16:59,589 --> 01:16:55,219
microscopic tiny little metal about the

1724
01:17:00,069 --> 01:16:59,599
size of a hair thickness and they open

1725
01:17:03,129 --> 01:17:00,079
it up

1726
01:17:05,620 --> 01:17:03,139
these are phd's these are like the best

1727
01:17:07,509 --> 01:17:05,630
minds in this in this physical science

1728
01:17:10,629 --> 01:17:07,519
they open them up and they're finding

1729
01:17:13,929 --> 01:17:10,639
genetic material in DNA in them right

1730
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:13,939
wait what so they're finding that on the

1731
01:17:20,409 --> 01:17:16,010
stratosphere then we find out that

1732
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,419
there's an alleged UFO landing cited by

1733
01:17:24,429 --> 01:17:22,159
a bunch of people on a train in Russia

1734
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:24,439
and when they go to the landing site

1735
01:17:30,489 --> 01:17:28,010
they find little balls with that same

1736
01:17:31,899 --> 01:17:30,499
genetic material in it so all of a

1737
01:17:34,449 --> 01:17:31,909
sudden I'm freaking out thinking oh my

1738
01:17:36,219 --> 01:17:34,459
gosh we have something new to test every

1739
01:17:38,979 --> 01:17:36,229
time a witness tells us that some things

1740
01:17:40,779 --> 01:17:38,989
close to the ground or has landed

1741
01:17:42,909 --> 01:17:40,789
we have to take soil samples whether

1742
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:42,919
there's trace evidence physical evidence

1743
01:17:46,899 --> 01:17:45,530
because now we're looking for these

1744
01:17:49,179 --> 01:17:46,909
little metal balls because if they're

1745
01:17:52,270 --> 01:17:49,189
present it came through the stratosphere

1746
01:17:56,110 --> 01:17:52,280
it wasn't a plane or you know Chinese

1747
01:17:59,170 --> 01:17:56,120
lantern so science is really

1748
01:18:01,480 --> 01:17:59,180
catapult and UFO investigations forward

1749
01:18:03,580 --> 01:18:01,490
and at warp speed we have to pay

1750
01:18:06,460 --> 01:18:03,590
attention to what's breaking and what's

1751
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:06,470
what's being patented we knew am

1752
01:18:11,470 --> 01:18:09,710
technology was possible before the

1753
01:18:14,610 --> 01:18:11,480
announcement came out and we don't even

1754
01:18:17,530 --> 01:18:14,620
have the confirmation yet about e/m

1755
01:18:19,810 --> 01:18:17,540
propulsion but we know it's coming we

1756
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:19,820
knew six years ago why we're following

1757
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,850
the patents because you know those

1758
01:18:25,660 --> 01:18:24,320
companies appeared on their Bush's

1759
01:18:27,370 --> 01:18:25,670
they're going to want their credit for

1760
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:27,380
their technology right so they're gonna

1761
01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:29,930
patent me so people can't take them or

1762
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:32,990
steal them and you know and it's just we

1763
01:18:37,150 --> 01:18:34,880
got them we got a mart and we're paying

1764
01:18:40,330 --> 01:18:37,160
attention and we're doing our job right

1765
01:18:44,890 --> 01:18:40,340
now these little metal balls with

1766
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:44,900
genetic material that that's almost sort

1767
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:47,450
of a sign for the panspermia that you

1768
01:18:53,980 --> 01:18:50,960
you know the possibilities of that going

1769
01:18:55,780 --> 01:18:53,990
all through the universe you're

1770
01:18:58,530 --> 01:18:55,790
absolutely right and that's exactly what

1771
01:19:00,880 --> 01:18:58,540
these scientists believe this is is

1772
01:19:04,810 --> 01:19:00,890
spreading life they're not saying that

1773
01:19:07,630 --> 01:19:04,820
it's DNA from a human it could be a

1774
01:19:09,730 --> 01:19:07,640
different species of animal a fish you

1775
01:19:11,860 --> 01:19:09,740
know all sorts of things they don't know

1776
01:19:14,230 --> 01:19:11,870
what it is this is brand new discovery

1777
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:14,240
it's been a couple years now but the

1778
01:19:18,910 --> 01:19:15,410
fact that we're finding it in other

1779
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:18,920
places and just how weird you know I

1780
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:20,960
just I love this something that had

1781
01:19:26,460 --> 01:19:23,210
absolutely nothing to do with UFOs is

1782
01:19:29,650 --> 01:19:26,470
turning out to be one of our next big

1783
01:19:31,630 --> 01:19:29,660
pursuits and something we're looking at

1784
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:31,640
and why I love it so much is it's

1785
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:36,050
testable yeah it's it's not fleeting

1786
01:19:43,210 --> 01:19:40,850
it's right there right now I know you've

1787
01:19:44,620 --> 01:19:43,220
been working on the crystal mine case I

1788
01:19:46,210 --> 01:19:44,630
don't know if you want to go into that

1789
01:19:50,650 --> 01:19:46,220
now would you like to talk about that

1790
01:19:53,470 --> 01:19:50,660
and sure tell people little I had never

1791
01:19:58,200 --> 01:19:53,480
heard of it before so can you talk about

1792
01:20:00,750 --> 01:19:58,210
what it is the crystal mine case is

1793
01:20:03,940 --> 01:20:00,760
crystal mine that is absolutely

1794
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:03,950
experiencing phenomena in Mena Arkansas

1795
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:08,210
and this case first came at us I can't

1796
01:20:11,770 --> 01:20:09,770
talk about the original Reid

1797
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:11,780
port that MUFON had done I'm under

1798
01:20:16,630 --> 01:20:15,170
non-disclosure because not only is MUFON

1799
01:20:19,060 --> 01:20:16,640
getting ready to release the final

1800
01:20:21,370 --> 01:20:19,070
report from our investigation but it's

1801
01:20:23,170 --> 01:20:21,380
also being featured on expedition

1802
01:20:26,530 --> 01:20:23,180
unknown with Josh gates

1803
01:20:29,260 --> 01:20:26,540
it's the last episode of his four-part

1804
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:29,270
series looking for extraterrestrials so

1805
01:20:33,340 --> 01:20:31,310
this will be in October so I can't talk

1806
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:33,350
about that part but what I can talk

1807
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:39,890
about is the ongoing activity and events

1808
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:42,080
and you know just see strange things and

1809
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:44,840
when we got down there of course one of

1810
01:20:48,430 --> 01:20:46,010
the things we do is a lot of the

1811
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:48,440
background and realized all of the

1812
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:52,130
strange light reports coming out Amina

1813
01:20:58,210 --> 01:20:54,650
and some of these are brown mountain or

1814
01:21:01,180 --> 01:20:58,220
Marfa type sightings its historic all

1815
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:01,190
the way back to the late 1900s really

1816
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:04,880
wow yeah so when you're having this and

1817
01:21:09,790 --> 01:21:07,310
of course these UFO investigators you

1818
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:09,800
know we don't mark our cars and have UFO

1819
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:12,530
hunter on my license plate because when

1820
01:21:15,820 --> 01:21:14,570
I pull up to somebody's house they don't

1821
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:15,830
may not want their neighbor who's

1822
01:21:20,530 --> 01:21:19,280
driving by or walking and see that you

1823
01:21:22,420 --> 01:21:20,540
know and know that they're reporting a

1824
01:21:26,260 --> 01:21:22,430
UFO or something we go we're very

1825
01:21:27,820 --> 01:21:26,270
discreet so I couldn't really canvass we

1826
01:21:29,050 --> 01:21:27,830
can't you know just start knocking on

1827
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,060
all the doors I mean they're like hey

1828
01:21:33,250 --> 01:21:31,520
you guys have any experiences but what

1829
01:21:36,010 --> 01:21:33,260
we've learned to do is hold town hall

1830
01:21:39,340 --> 01:21:36,020
meetings and so there's an investigation

1831
01:21:41,230 --> 01:21:39,350
team with kgr a radio I thought that was

1832
01:21:43,210 --> 01:21:41,240
great here you have a radio network with

1833
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:43,220
you know Linda Moulton Howe and Richard

1834
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:46,010
Dolan and la Marzulli and you know me

1835
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:48,890
and Micah Hanks and all these people why

1836
01:21:52,780 --> 01:21:50,570
don't we start looking into some of this

1837
01:21:56,110 --> 01:21:52,790
anomaly and accept cases and get out

1838
01:21:57,370 --> 01:21:56,120
there and do it ourselves and so that's

1839
01:21:59,410 --> 01:21:57,380
what we're starting to do and we're

1840
01:22:01,900 --> 01:21:59,420
gonna go out back out tamina and

1841
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:01,910
actually have a town hall meeting and

1842
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:03,890
invite people to come and tell us what

1843
01:22:07,870 --> 01:22:05,600
they know bring your evidence do you

1844
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:07,880
have photos and let's start finding out

1845
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,250
what's going on in this location in our

1846
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:12,560
country which by the way is 37th

1847
01:22:18,190 --> 01:22:15,050
parallel oh really how about that yes

1848
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:18,200
right how do you get the word out that

1849
01:22:23,410 --> 01:22:19,490
you're gonna have this town-hall type

1850
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:23,420
meeting it was on something that

1851
01:22:29,290 --> 01:22:26,239
we wanted to make sure we didn't come

1852
01:22:34,510 --> 01:22:29,300
we're professional right so the first

1853
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,520
thing we did was race race Hobbs program

1854
01:22:39,130 --> 01:22:37,040
director over at kg RA called the

1855
01:22:40,750 --> 01:22:39,140
University and they had a beautiful

1856
01:22:43,050 --> 01:22:40,760
lecture hall that holds about three

1857
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:43,060
hundred people and offered it to us and

1858
01:22:49,060 --> 01:22:45,890
we called all the local newspapers and

1859
01:22:51,490 --> 01:22:49,070
the radio stations putting word out

1860
01:22:53,140 --> 01:22:51,500
we're going on social media of course

1861
01:22:55,390 --> 01:22:53,150
the witnesses themselves that we have

1862
01:22:57,490 --> 01:22:55,400
already spoken to because I've been to

1863
01:23:01,930 --> 01:22:57,500
this investigation twice this site twice

1864
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:01,940
now and I spent almost 15 days and yo

1865
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:04,310
race Hobbs was with me on the first one

1866
01:23:08,350 --> 01:23:06,080
so you know we made some connections

1867
01:23:10,540 --> 01:23:08,360
talk to other people there putting

1868
01:23:12,820 --> 01:23:10,550
fliers out getting the word out but it's

1869
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:12,830
a small community there they already

1870
01:23:16,270 --> 01:23:14,330
know that you know me and Josh gates

1871
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:16,280
were out there not too long ago so

1872
01:23:22,630 --> 01:23:18,800
they're very curious about the rest of

1873
01:23:25,390 --> 01:23:22,640
the story and of course we couldn't be

1874
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:25,400
in a better position by we purposefully

1875
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:28,130
went to the college because we want

1876
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:31,040
these younger kids to get the bug we

1877
01:23:35,530 --> 01:23:33,710
want them to start yeah joining us and

1878
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:35,540
they're interested we know that they

1879
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:37,250
can't get enough alien and paranormal

1880
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:39,920
stuff come and talk to us see what's

1881
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:42,170
going on and let's get you join a MUFON

1882
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:44,090
and listening to podcasts and doing some

1883
01:23:48,220 --> 01:23:45,890
home working you know getting out in the

1884
01:23:50,110 --> 01:23:48,230
field and doing this we don't want the

1885
01:23:53,260 --> 01:23:50,120
Kardashians that want to be famous for

1886
01:23:55,930 --> 01:23:53,270
nothing yeah want the people that are

1887
01:24:00,100 --> 01:23:55,940
you know legitimately really struck by

1888
01:24:02,140 --> 01:24:00,110
the passion and the anomaly and that

1889
01:24:05,950 --> 01:24:02,150
want to join us we have got to get these

1890
01:24:08,380 --> 01:24:05,960
younger kids trained and you know have

1891
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:08,390
the kind of history that we have you

1892
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:10,790
know coming in and so we're hoping to

1893
01:24:16,900 --> 01:24:13,850
inspire some of that by holding this

1894
01:24:19,540 --> 01:24:16,910
purposefully at a university has anyone

1895
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:19,550
seen any type of structured craft with a

1896
01:24:25,870 --> 01:24:22,330
consider structured craft in that area

1897
01:24:28,540 --> 01:24:25,880
not part of the reports we've personally

1898
01:24:31,660 --> 01:24:28,550
taken Amina however there's a lot of

1899
01:24:34,900 --> 01:24:31,670
light anomaly not so much a structured

1900
01:24:36,610 --> 01:24:34,910
craft there are other things going on

1901
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:36,620
yeah we'll talk about that I know this

1902
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:37,290
flow

1903
01:24:42,380 --> 01:24:41,760
rocks and things yeah true is that their

1904
01:24:46,610 --> 01:24:42,390
rumor

1905
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:46,620
I haven't seen levitating rocks and

1906
01:24:51,850 --> 01:24:49,650
rocks Epps seem to move and when I can't

1907
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:51,860
tell you are the witnesses are credible

1908
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:55,290
so we're not really sure and they're you

1909
01:25:01,580 --> 01:24:58,320
know I had a lot of scrutiny on these

1910
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:01,590
two because you know it's a crystal mine

1911
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,130
and all sorts of things can happen I

1912
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:07,920
believe that a lot of some of the things

1913
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:09,930
that are going on is absolutely a

1914
01:25:14,690 --> 01:25:12,450
physical reality it's it's physics it's

1915
01:25:18,740 --> 01:25:14,700
something natural that's occurring you

1916
01:25:21,980 --> 01:25:18,750
have a aquifer Oklahoma UFO paranormal

1917
01:25:23,810 --> 01:25:21,990
group dick of Maryland Carlson's group I

1918
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:23,820
asked her if they'd go out there and

1919
01:25:28,580 --> 01:25:26,250
they'd like to you know investigate and

1920
01:25:30,590 --> 01:25:28,590
the reason I do that is now you have a

1921
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:30,600
different team what did you guys come up

1922
01:25:35,870 --> 01:25:32,880
with are we cooperating good evidence

1923
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:35,880
did you guys find something I didn't so

1924
01:25:39,740 --> 01:25:37,770
I like working with other groups we're

1925
01:25:43,250 --> 01:25:39,750
not in competition with them we're in

1926
01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:43,260
partnership I really insist on working

1927
01:25:49,130 --> 01:25:45,900
that way so that was pretty cool

1928
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:49,140
finding aquifers you learned so much

1929
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:51,570
about crystals or you know things about

1930
01:25:55,670 --> 01:25:53,330
cases when you're in different regions

1931
01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:55,680
Arkansas crystals are the most powerful

1932
01:26:02,060 --> 01:25:58,410
in the world you can only find this type

1933
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:02,070
of crystal in Arkansas or Brazil the

1934
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:04,560
most powerful it's credited with winning

1935
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:07,050
world war two because our communications

1936
01:26:11,930 --> 01:26:08,400
were so much better because of the

1937
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:11,940
strength and clarity and quality of

1938
01:26:18,340 --> 01:26:15,330
Arkansas crystals it's really it's

1939
01:26:22,340 --> 01:26:18,350
amazing yeah they grow differently and

1940
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:22,350
the anomaly so this is this is something

1941
01:26:26,150 --> 01:26:23,370
they're already getting a lot of

1942
01:26:28,010 --> 01:26:26,160
attention there's a lot of investigators

1943
01:26:31,850 --> 01:26:28,020
and researchers going down and and

1944
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:31,860
they're opening and letting them I wish

1945
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:33,510
I could talk more about what happened on

1946
01:26:37,550 --> 01:26:35,010
the initial sighting because it's

1947
01:26:39,710 --> 01:26:37,560
drastic and it scared them enough they

1948
01:26:41,300 --> 01:26:39,720
shut the mine down and even though it's

1949
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:41,310
a public mind that they charge money

1950
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:44,040
it's their livelihood for people to come

1951
01:26:48,860 --> 01:26:46,250
in and dig crystals they shut it down

1952
01:26:50,279 --> 01:26:48,870
until they knew it was safe because

1953
01:26:54,359 --> 01:26:50,289
there were

1954
01:26:57,959 --> 01:26:54,369
big effects so they weren't in it for

1955
01:26:59,520 --> 01:26:57,969
the money it was pretty cool it is it

1956
01:27:02,220 --> 01:26:59,530
this is gonna be a good case this is

1957
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,230
this is a big one it's a good one trust

1958
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:04,480
me yeah and what are some other things

1959
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:06,610
you're working on you have anything

1960
01:27:13,319 --> 01:27:09,570
you're actively researching right now

1961
01:27:15,620 --> 01:27:13,329
right now really focusing back because

1962
01:27:18,689 --> 01:27:15,630
I'm actually leaving next Wednesday

1963
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:18,699
going to Utah speaking at Paracon in

1964
01:27:25,229 --> 01:27:21,760
Salt Lake City and then we're doing an

1965
01:27:27,870 --> 01:27:25,239
investigation up somewhere in Utah in an

1966
01:27:29,939 --> 01:27:27,880
undisclosed location again I'm under

1967
01:27:31,890 --> 01:27:29,949
non-disclosure I can't say but then

1968
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:31,900
we're going back to Mina and and doing

1969
01:27:40,770 --> 01:27:34,449
another big investigation and doing this

1970
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:40,780
town hall actually and then I've gotta

1971
01:27:47,339 --> 01:27:44,050
take November and December off good for

1972
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:47,349
you I'm gonna try I've got to try I

1973
01:27:52,319 --> 01:27:50,409
really have low grandkids I love to see

1974
01:27:55,319 --> 01:27:52,329
I'm gonna be gone almost two weeks so

1975
01:27:58,049 --> 01:27:55,329
this month I'll be home maybe you know

1976
01:28:00,600 --> 01:27:58,059
eleven days the month of August I was

1977
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:00,610
home for nine so I need to be home for a

1978
01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:02,110
little bit so I'm just gonna take some

1979
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:04,510
time off already booking up I'm doing

1980
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:08,320
the MUFON cruise with holiday travel and

1981
01:28:12,839 --> 01:28:10,690
debris we've got a conference cruise I

1982
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:12,849
believe it's already sold out in January

1983
01:28:17,009 --> 01:28:15,250
in February you and I are gonna be at

1984
01:28:19,259 --> 01:28:17,019
Congress can't wait

1985
01:28:21,839 --> 01:28:19,269
my favorite conference out of all of

1986
01:28:25,140 --> 01:28:21,849
them I love Congress and I'm will be

1987
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:25,150
working because I love Ali & ro and I

1988
01:28:29,879 --> 01:28:26,650
love what he's doing and he worked so

1989
01:28:32,729 --> 01:28:29,889
hard and I would love to help him out

1990
01:28:37,859 --> 01:28:32,739
any way I could and I'm gonna be

1991
01:28:40,890 --> 01:28:37,869
speaking in Ozarks again Ozark UFO Ozark

1992
01:28:41,459 --> 01:28:40,900
Mountain UFO conference in Eureka

1993
01:28:44,009 --> 01:28:41,469
Springs

1994
01:28:45,870 --> 01:28:44,019
I heard ebook for that I've heard people

1995
01:28:49,919 --> 01:28:45,880
talk about that conference saying it's

1996
01:28:51,509 --> 01:28:49,929
it's really really good it's the second

1997
01:28:54,990 --> 01:28:51,519
best conference you know my heart goes

1998
01:28:57,390 --> 01:28:55,000
with Congress because I have a lot of

1999
01:29:00,479 --> 01:28:57,400
reasons to say that of mostly because

2000
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:00,489
I'm so fond of Phoenix move on and you

2001
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:02,530
know the group they have down there I'm

2002
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:03,910
so impressed with

2003
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:06,250
the work they're doing and the people

2004
01:29:12,450 --> 01:29:08,170
that they're doing it with they're just

2005
01:29:14,730 --> 01:29:12,460
the best group down there but Ozark you

2006
01:29:18,570 --> 01:29:14,740
know this is Dolores canons daughters

2007
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:18,580
that have picked up their mom's passion

2008
01:29:23,850 --> 01:29:21,010
and you know drive to continually have

2009
01:29:26,190 --> 01:29:23,860
these conferences this conference is I

2010
01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:26,200
mean how many years anniversary did they

2011
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:30,430
just have I think it was 30 Wow yeah

2012
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:33,280
30 years and it's a huge conference it's

2013
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:35,370
another big one it's a big conference

2014
01:29:40,590 --> 01:29:38,110
yeah Wow

2015
01:29:41,460 --> 01:29:40,600
you know I've had up on the message

2016
01:29:43,620 --> 01:29:41,470
board quite a bit

2017
01:29:48,710 --> 01:29:43,630
oh we have someone calling it how about

2018
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:52,470
hello caller you're on the air can you

2019
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:54,400
say your first name and were you calling

2020
01:30:00,300 --> 01:29:57,280
from Bobby North Carolina

2021
01:30:02,730 --> 01:30:00,310
hey Bobby how are you good good doing

2022
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,740
good weather it's a hot but assuming a

2023
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:04,560
turn cool

2024
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:08,250
chase is great love hearing again

2025
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:10,930
different shows but I want her to know

2026
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:13,090
that everybody wants to hear about the

2027
01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:21,040
triangle yes it is Bobby right yeah

2028
01:30:26,730 --> 01:30:23,350
thank you so much for calling in Bobby

2029
01:30:30,090 --> 01:30:26,740
and I kind of feel like it's overdone

2030
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:30,100
but I do love Martin Willis and I do

2031
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:32,290
appreciate so much that you're listening

2032
01:30:37,410 --> 01:30:35,440
so I will tell that story it's a great

2033
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:37,420
story everybody loves it and several

2034
01:30:42,990 --> 01:30:39,040
people in here is I've asked about it in

2035
01:30:46,860 --> 01:30:43,000
the past 30 minutes okay yeah yeah it it

2036
01:30:50,010 --> 01:30:46,870
was really an epic event and it's been

2037
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:50,020
quite a few years later and I still

2038
01:30:55,620 --> 01:30:53,050
struggle with some of the things that I

2039
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:55,630
may not have even realized when you know

2040
01:30:59,670 --> 01:30:57,610
I first started talking about it and you

2041
01:31:02,550 --> 01:30:59,680
were one of my first shows one of the

2042
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:02,560
reasons I love your show

2043
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:04,960
Martin it was when I first started doing

2044
01:31:09,150 --> 01:31:06,970
the whole little radio thing you were

2045
01:31:12,110 --> 01:31:09,160
the first host that asked me probably

2046
01:31:16,890 --> 01:31:12,120
the smartest nicest questions and it was

2047
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:16,900
you were so sincere with the honesty

2048
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:18,880
and I just never forgot like you were

2049
01:31:25,980 --> 01:31:23,110
just my favorite show so yes so the

2050
01:31:29,730 --> 01:31:25,990
nostalgia but this was an event that

2051
01:31:32,730 --> 01:31:29,740
happened to us in 2010 and I was a

2052
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:32,740
move-on at the time and I was living in

2053
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:34,930
Millington Tennessee which is right

2054
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:36,850
outside of Memphis my husband was active

2055
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:41,530
duty at the time and we literally got a

2056
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:44,560
call from and it was a star team case

2057
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:48,010
and the witness was telling me that they

2058
01:31:53,550 --> 01:31:50,320
were seeing these strange lights and

2059
01:31:56,130 --> 01:31:53,560
lights and sky orange orbs they were

2060
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:56,140
actually chasing them down these you

2061
01:32:01,890 --> 01:31:58,960
know country dirt roads he was telling

2062
01:32:04,110 --> 01:32:01,900
me things like his children were afraid

2063
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:04,120
to go to their rooms at night and you

2064
01:32:09,810 --> 01:32:07,210
know just things were ramping up and he

2065
01:32:12,060 --> 01:32:09,820
was getting very nervous this is also

2066
01:32:17,450 --> 01:32:12,070
the time of that epic big big flood

2067
01:32:20,490 --> 01:32:17,460
where it flooded Nashville to Memphis so

2068
01:32:22,290 --> 01:32:20,500
our initial meeting was pushed back

2069
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:22,300
almost two weeks until the waters

2070
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:23,650
receded enough to where I could even

2071
01:32:28,050 --> 01:32:25,120
drive there so a lot of the roads were

2072
01:32:29,820 --> 01:32:28,060
still closed but I did get a call I

2073
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:29,830
supposed to go I believe I'm a Saturday

2074
01:32:33,810 --> 01:32:32,170
and I and I get a call I think it was a

2075
01:32:35,790 --> 01:32:33,820
Thursday night please don't quote me on

2076
01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:35,800
that one but it was a couple of days

2077
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:37,270
earlier than me going out and he's like

2078
01:32:41,310 --> 01:32:39,040
oh my gosh chase already things are

2079
01:32:44,850 --> 01:32:41,320
happening and this is exactly what

2080
01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:44,860
starts when all you know when the big

2081
01:32:49,650 --> 01:32:47,950
stuff comes you know the triangles and I

2082
01:32:51,330 --> 01:32:49,660
was so stunned when I heard him say this

2083
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:51,340
because that's one thing he hadn't

2084
01:32:54,710 --> 01:32:53,170
reported yet and I've been talking to

2085
01:32:57,060 --> 01:32:54,720
this guy for a few weeks already and

2086
01:32:58,260 --> 01:32:57,070
just just one second I don't think you

2087
01:33:01,110 --> 01:32:58,270
mentioned this pardon me for

2088
01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:01,120
interrupting but this is also someone

2089
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:07,920
that is well-known celebrity of sorts

2090
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:10,570
yes I can't really go into details but

2091
01:33:17,670 --> 01:33:14,080
you did tell me which is pretty amazing

2092
01:33:22,710 --> 01:33:17,680
that has he has he ever gone public with

2093
01:33:24,930 --> 01:33:22,720
it do you know no and truthfully every

2094
01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:24,940
once in a while I'll get a you know a

2095
01:33:29,370 --> 01:33:26,950
text or whatever we were talking

2096
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:29,380
constantly during the event or the

2097
01:33:34,020 --> 01:33:30,480
report

2098
01:33:35,940 --> 01:33:34,030
even after this evening we stayed in

2099
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:35,950
touch for a little bit because there was

2100
01:33:43,020 --> 01:33:38,530
so much more investigation we needed to

2101
01:33:45,690 --> 01:33:43,030
do then things started slowing down a

2102
01:33:48,570 --> 01:33:45,700
little bit and it turned into you like

2103
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:48,580
text message you know a we every week or

2104
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:50,080
so like have you heard anything no not

2105
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:53,290
yet blah blah blah then it's just now

2106
01:33:58,260 --> 01:33:56,290
what it is is maybe I don't know about

2107
01:34:00,630 --> 01:33:58,270
every six months or so I just get a text

2108
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:00,640
hey you still there and I just text back

2109
01:34:06,270 --> 01:34:01,330
yep

2110
01:34:07,740 --> 01:34:06,280
think it's this way of just making sure

2111
01:34:11,370 --> 01:34:07,750
I still have the same phone number and

2112
01:34:14,010 --> 01:34:11,380
I'm still there in case one day but yeah

2113
01:34:17,820 --> 01:34:14,020
this witness is extremely well known he

2114
01:34:19,470 --> 01:34:17,830
is very credible and he did not want to

2115
01:34:23,010 --> 01:34:19,480
go public he had small children at the

2116
01:34:24,750 --> 01:34:23,020
time and he feared living in this small

2117
01:34:27,180 --> 01:34:24,760
town and he did that on purpose for

2118
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:27,190
privacy he didn't want his kids to be

2119
01:34:31,890 --> 01:34:29,530
you know the kids being teased growing

2120
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:31,900
up in school that you know their dad saw

2121
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:36,880
a UFO and you know very private his

2122
01:34:42,150 --> 01:34:39,520
privacy probably meant as much to him as

2123
01:34:44,940 --> 01:34:42,160
anything else he protected including his

2124
01:34:46,170 --> 01:34:44,950
children in fact he made a comment to me

2125
01:34:48,510 --> 01:34:46,180
that I'll never forget

2126
01:34:50,850 --> 01:34:48,520
when I asked him you have you have you

2127
01:34:53,130 --> 01:34:50,860
heard your neighbor is talking or their

2128
01:34:55,500 --> 01:34:53,140
whispers or anybody mentioning that

2129
01:34:56,970 --> 01:34:55,510
they're seeing anything and it kind of

2130
01:34:59,310 --> 01:34:56,980
leans up on an offense and he says you

2131
01:34:59,970 --> 01:34:59,320
know chase around here people mind their

2132
01:35:03,960 --> 01:34:59,980
own business

2133
01:35:04,350 --> 01:35:03,970
and we don't like people who don't I got

2134
01:35:12,420 --> 01:35:04,360
it

2135
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:12,430
before I finish what happened to us that

2136
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:14,650
evening it's also important to know that

2137
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:19,210
this is so rural Tennessee that these

2138
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:24,250
guys don't call 911 is something that

2139
01:35:28,410 --> 01:35:26,320
they call after you know clean up the

2140
01:35:30,270 --> 01:35:28,420
mess or whatever they need to do these

2141
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:30,280
guys take care of whatever they need to

2142
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:33,250
out there when we first got there there

2143
01:35:37,290 --> 01:35:35,770
was a point when we got to the cornfield

2144
01:35:40,020 --> 01:35:37,300
that he pulls out like a big old shotgun

2145
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:40,030
and apparently the look on my face was

2146
01:35:44,250 --> 01:35:42,970
like you know you have to remember

2147
01:35:45,480 --> 01:35:44,260
there's two females

2148
01:35:47,070 --> 01:35:45,490
we just jump in a car and we go to

2149
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:47,080
people's houses we don't know anything

2150
01:35:52,350 --> 01:35:49,330
about them it's like kind of silly or

2151
01:35:53,970 --> 01:35:52,360
dangerous almost but you know here we

2152
01:35:55,710 --> 01:35:53,980
are we jump in the guy's truck and we go

2153
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:55,720
down to the woods and in this big

2154
01:36:00,420 --> 01:35:57,850
cornfield he pulls out this shotgun and

2155
01:36:01,950 --> 01:36:00,430
and he looked at me and he said no no no

2156
01:36:04,980 --> 01:36:01,960
he says chase we have a problem with

2157
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:04,990
coyotes around here so in case any of

2158
01:36:11,220 --> 01:36:08,010
these should come up I got us covered

2159
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:11,230
this guy never said run get into the

2160
01:36:16,890 --> 01:36:14,170
truck he already had a plan because he

2161
01:36:21,420 --> 01:36:16,900
knew of a possible danger you know it's

2162
01:36:24,150 --> 01:36:21,430
just this is what they do so anyway I

2163
01:36:29,070 --> 01:36:24,160
jump in the car when he said triangle

2164
01:36:30,660 --> 01:36:29,080
I just just ran I wasn't even sure all

2165
01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:30,670
the roads were cleared didn't didn't

2166
01:36:33,930 --> 01:36:32,260
even think about that but I called the

2167
01:36:36,750 --> 01:36:33,940
other MUFON investigator that was

2168
01:36:38,220 --> 01:36:36,760
assigned as secondary with me and I went

2169
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:38,230
picked her up and we were on the road I

2170
01:36:45,090 --> 01:36:42,610
was gone and by the time we got up to

2171
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:45,100
the house it was already starting you

2172
01:36:50,670 --> 01:36:48,850
know to be dawn I'm not dawn Twilight so

2173
01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:50,680
it was starting to get dark not quite

2174
01:36:56,250 --> 01:36:53,710
yet we pull up in the driveway and he

2175
01:36:59,100 --> 01:36:56,260
immediately takes us kind of to the edge

2176
01:37:01,440 --> 01:36:59,110
of where his yard and the yard goes down

2177
01:37:04,050 --> 01:37:01,450
on a big slope but you could kind of see

2178
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:04,060
this big area and he goes this is this

2179
01:37:07,980 --> 01:37:06,370
will be a great view and all of a sudden

2180
01:37:11,250 --> 01:37:07,990
he goes oh look these those little ones

2181
01:37:13,980 --> 01:37:11,260
popping up and I look up and the other

2182
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:13,990
investigator look up and sure enough it

2183
01:37:18,420 --> 01:37:16,480
took me a minute for my eyes to adjust

2184
01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:18,430
and to see exactly what it's talking

2185
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:20,710
about but then it was clear as day you

2186
01:37:24,780 --> 01:37:22,570
know there's these little little tiny

2187
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:24,790
lights in the sky about the size of the

2188
01:37:29,610 --> 01:37:27,730
stars except they're moving and they're

2189
01:37:33,930 --> 01:37:29,620
coming together and they're forming

2190
01:37:36,150 --> 01:37:33,940
shapes and kind of doing things almost

2191
01:37:39,780 --> 01:37:36,160
as a unit and then splitting up in

2192
01:37:41,550 --> 01:37:39,790
almost performing for us and if you got

2193
01:37:43,770 --> 01:37:41,560
tired of this group there's about four

2194
01:37:47,730 --> 01:37:43,780
more starting to gather doing the same

2195
01:37:50,510 --> 01:37:47,740
thing in the skies well Martin and Bob

2196
01:37:53,310 --> 01:37:50,520
who called Bobby I think that was a NATO

2197
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:53,320
honestly I'm excited to do this point

2198
01:37:58,090 --> 01:37:56,290
because this is friggin awesome I'm just

2199
01:38:00,910 --> 01:37:58,100
like you know we got our little

2200
01:38:02,860 --> 01:38:00,920
you know little tablets out looking at

2201
01:38:04,780 --> 01:38:02,870
yo satellites where the satellites where

2202
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:04,790
the planes you know with you know all

2203
01:38:08,770 --> 01:38:07,370
the usual suspects even though clearly

2204
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:08,780
this is not what it was

2205
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:11,210
we still had to do our job and document

2206
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:13,610
that these things were not there the ISS

2207
01:38:17,740 --> 01:38:15,290
is not in the area at the time blah blah

2208
01:38:19,300 --> 01:38:17,750
blah so anyway I'm just freaking out I'm

2209
01:38:21,070 --> 01:38:19,310
looking I'm like my heart shoots pound

2210
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:21,080
and this is a good night already

2211
01:38:26,140 --> 01:38:24,170
and then he suggests that he has a corn

2212
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:26,150
field down the road about a hundred

2213
01:38:32,440 --> 01:38:28,880
acres it's huge huge cornfield again

2214
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:32,450
this is April so the corn is you know

2215
01:38:36,010 --> 01:38:34,130
just those little little things that

2216
01:38:37,420 --> 01:38:36,020
come up maybe four or five inches so it

2217
01:38:39,340 --> 01:38:37,430
was very playable we weren't gonna hurt

2218
01:38:41,110 --> 01:38:39,350
any crops so we could go down there and

2219
01:38:45,010 --> 01:38:41,120
that's what we did we jumped at his

2220
01:38:47,530 --> 01:38:45,020
truck and he took us to the middle of

2221
01:38:49,060 --> 01:38:47,540
this great big corn field have to tell

2222
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:49,070
you I'm from Rhode Island I've never

2223
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:50,960
seen a corn field that big in my life it

2224
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:53,360
was like first thing I asked him is you

2225
01:38:58,420 --> 01:38:55,730
own all this this is all your corn and

2226
01:39:00,670 --> 01:38:58,430
who needs this much corn like but anyway

2227
01:39:03,550 --> 01:39:00,680
it was fun but we kind of set up like a

2228
01:39:07,090 --> 01:39:03,560
little table and I just had to have a

2229
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:07,100
few things set up because I do like my

2230
01:39:13,810 --> 01:39:11,210
equipment so it was it too long and all

2231
01:39:16,060 --> 01:39:13,820
of a sudden you know he he kind of gets

2232
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,070
excited he goes oh my gosh here it comes

2233
01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:18,080
chase this is exactly why I wanted you

2234
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:20,870
to come here and we look up and he's

2235
01:39:26,350 --> 01:39:23,600
pointing and sure enough I see a light

2236
01:39:28,210 --> 01:39:26,360
and it's bigger than the little kind of

2237
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:28,220
star lights we had seen before or

2238
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:30,770
witnessed before and it's just this

2239
01:39:35,650 --> 01:39:33,410
white light and at first you're not

2240
01:39:37,060 --> 01:39:35,660
really sure what is doing but then it

2241
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:37,070
was clear that it was kind of getting

2242
01:39:41,500 --> 01:39:40,250
closer and then all of a sudden two more

2243
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:41,510
show up and I'm thinking oh my god

2244
01:39:46,300 --> 01:39:43,520
there's three of them this is so cool

2245
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:46,310
and you know I'm looking at the other

2246
01:39:50,110 --> 01:39:47,840
witness she's kind of look at it I mean

2247
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:50,120
the other investigator she's looking at

2248
01:39:56,710 --> 01:39:53,450
me and we're just almost dumbstruck at

2249
01:39:59,050 --> 01:39:56,720
this point because here's these three

2250
01:40:03,190 --> 01:39:59,060
lights clearly I knew already this is no

2251
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:03,200
plane at least not yet and I kind of had

2252
01:40:08,590 --> 01:40:05,840
the feeling that that's you know

2253
01:40:10,630 --> 01:40:08,600
something's coming so and not in like a

2254
01:40:11,890 --> 01:40:10,640
bad way or anything it was just like oh

2255
01:40:14,860 --> 01:40:11,900
my gosh

2256
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:14,870
and sure enough as it got closer you

2257
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:16,730
realize these weren't three individual

2258
01:40:21,070 --> 01:40:18,530
lights although they were but they were

2259
01:40:25,180 --> 01:40:21,080
connected to one object and I'm like oh

2260
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:25,190
my gosh like this is a triangle and then

2261
01:40:30,220 --> 01:40:28,400
you could see very faintly a red light

2262
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:30,230
underneath that not directly underneath

2263
01:40:35,919 --> 01:40:32,960
it like the Belgium this one was forward

2264
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:35,929
it was more forward like ridiculously

2265
01:40:39,610 --> 01:40:39,170
way forward but sure enough here it

2266
01:40:45,550 --> 01:40:39,620
comes

2267
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:45,560
and it just slowly came over our heads

2268
01:40:52,180 --> 01:40:49,520
it was just smooth it's really hard to

2269
01:40:56,939 --> 01:40:52,190
describe how it moved it was wasn't

2270
01:41:01,479 --> 01:40:56,949
really floating or being towed it wasn't

2271
01:41:03,399 --> 01:41:01,489
flying it wasn't gliding I it's hard to

2272
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:03,409
even find the words it moves so

2273
01:41:09,550 --> 01:41:06,890
differently and at this point I'm trying

2274
01:41:11,290 --> 01:41:09,560
to pick up equipment and I'm kind of

2275
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:11,300
doing it like this where you kind of got

2276
01:41:14,649 --> 01:41:12,530
your hands down because you want to take

2277
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:14,659
your eyes off it you're almost afraid if

2278
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:17,090
you don't look at it it goes away yeah

2279
01:41:20,350 --> 01:41:18,890
you know like it you turn away and then

2280
01:41:22,990 --> 01:41:20,360
it's gone you know you hear that a lot

2281
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:23,000
but you know I'm trying to pick up my

2282
01:41:27,490 --> 01:41:25,760
cameras I believe I had four cameras at

2283
01:41:31,300 --> 01:41:27,500
the time all different makes and models

2284
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:31,310
and none of them every time I try to get

2285
01:41:36,700 --> 01:41:34,010
a shot you know it was just dead I mean

2286
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:36,710
dead like the little thing was it

2287
01:41:42,130 --> 01:41:39,199
clicking or anything and I'm picking up

2288
01:41:43,780 --> 01:41:42,140
my Trifield meter and I had a couple

2289
01:41:45,910 --> 01:41:43,790
other things out there of you know

2290
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:45,920
whether I had a little weather thing

2291
01:41:48,820 --> 01:41:47,690
that had like a little fan in it you

2292
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:48,830
know where you kind of pull it up co2

2293
01:41:56,939 --> 01:41:53,090
wind speed was oh my gosh nothing was

2294
01:42:00,700 --> 01:41:56,949
working and I was very very frustrated I

2295
01:42:02,770 --> 01:42:00,710
remember feeling like just more than

2296
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:02,780
frustrating like I really wanted to just

2297
01:42:07,689 --> 01:42:05,210
toss this stuff because it's right here

2298
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:07,699
I'm an investigator I'm right here it's

2299
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:10,610
right there and we're missing it we're

2300
01:42:16,450 --> 01:42:13,370
missing it sure enough this triangle

2301
01:42:19,180 --> 01:42:16,460
goes directly over our heads it goes

2302
01:42:22,300 --> 01:42:19,190
right over that cornfield and never

2303
01:42:25,509 --> 01:42:22,310
changes altitude speed nothing well how

2304
01:42:28,750 --> 01:42:25,519
fast would you guess it was going

2305
01:42:32,649 --> 01:42:28,760
that one was a hard one it was so big

2306
01:42:34,779 --> 01:42:32,659
you don't know the distance either well

2307
01:42:37,359 --> 01:42:34,789
I know that when we put art if I were to

2308
01:42:40,509 --> 01:42:37,369
hold my arms straight up in the air and

2309
01:42:42,189 --> 01:42:40,519
open a magazine and look at the object

2310
01:42:45,609 --> 01:42:42,199
the magazine would not have covered that

2311
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:45,619
object so it was a big problem huge very

2312
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:48,650
big now did you feel anything a lot of

2313
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:50,570
times people talk about they feel like a

2314
01:42:54,549 --> 01:42:52,610
vibration they'll feel like a pressure

2315
01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:54,559
or something like that did you feel

2316
01:42:59,950 --> 01:42:58,010
anything at all I know I I don't

2317
01:43:01,870 --> 01:42:59,960
remember other than just you know your

2318
01:43:03,279 --> 01:43:01,880
heart's pounding because you know this

2319
01:43:06,489 --> 01:43:03,289
thing was huge it was a little

2320
01:43:09,939 --> 01:43:06,499
intimidating but in an awestruck way and

2321
01:43:12,669 --> 01:43:09,949
I honestly I think I was just more

2322
01:43:15,370 --> 01:43:12,679
excited because at this point again I've

2323
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:15,380
been doing this since 1994 and this was

2324
01:43:18,370 --> 01:43:16,880
the coolest thing I've ever seen so far

2325
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:18,380
I've seen a lot of things that aren't

2326
01:43:25,709 --> 01:43:20,210
supposed to exist this was the coolest

2327
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:25,719
by far it was also the way this moves is

2328
01:43:29,979 --> 01:43:28,010
there's just something about it that you

2329
01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:29,989
just know it's not ours it can't be it's

2330
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:31,670
just weird

2331
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:33,920
it's different the atmosphere changes

2332
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:35,840
but I don't remember hearing buzzing or

2333
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:39,530
feeling anything other than oMG I can't

2334
01:43:44,979 --> 01:43:41,570
believe it's right there and I can't

2335
01:43:49,180 --> 01:43:44,989
take a photo so other than that I'm not

2336
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:49,190
sure really and if I'd even notice if

2337
01:43:54,819 --> 01:43:50,960
anything else was going on at that point

2338
01:43:58,989 --> 01:43:54,829
I dunno it was kind of a weird quiet but

2339
01:44:00,700 --> 01:43:58,999
other than that but we just kept our

2340
01:44:03,819 --> 01:44:00,710
eyes on it and I still kept trying to

2341
01:44:05,890 --> 01:44:03,829
take photographs and video and as it's

2342
01:44:07,390 --> 01:44:05,900
going away I did manage to get off I

2343
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:07,400
ended up with a little over 600

2344
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:11,119
photographs because when it did start

2345
01:44:16,029 --> 01:44:13,130
working you could still see a little bit

2346
01:44:21,939 --> 01:44:16,039
of the back end of it and I did get some

2347
01:44:25,569 --> 01:44:21,949
and but it's yo again lights in the sky

2348
01:44:27,250 --> 01:44:25,579
that's all you can see and they they

2349
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:27,260
haven't been able to determine if it's

2350
01:44:30,910 --> 01:44:28,880
anything other than strange lights in

2351
01:44:32,979 --> 01:44:30,920
the sky so at least got that evidence

2352
01:44:35,109 --> 01:44:32,989
but you know here it is right here

2353
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:35,119
well anyway I was so frustrated because

2354
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:39,170
of the equipment and reach down

2355
01:44:41,979 --> 01:44:40,370
because I'm gonna you know change

2356
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:41,989
batteries because at this point I'm

2357
01:44:46,330 --> 01:44:44,690
thinking it's battery drain which is

2358
01:44:50,050 --> 01:44:46,340
something we hear about all the time in

2359
01:44:52,660 --> 01:44:50,060
paranormal and UFO investigations but

2360
01:44:55,330 --> 01:44:52,670
when I picked my camera up the little

2361
01:44:58,180 --> 01:44:55,340
red light was you know ready you know

2362
01:45:00,520 --> 01:44:58,190
I'm just like wait what so I start

2363
01:45:01,900 --> 01:45:00,530
taking photos and sure enough you know

2364
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:01,910
they're working just fine

2365
01:45:06,939 --> 01:45:04,880
and everything is back online my try

2366
01:45:09,610 --> 01:45:06,949
field is lighting up when I pick it up

2367
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:09,620
and you know turn low buttons but I had

2368
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:11,510
just decided that I was going to change

2369
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:15,370
the batteries anyway because you know

2370
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:18,320
ridiculously detailed and if we already

2371
01:45:22,540 --> 01:45:20,690
had a problem let me just change them

2372
01:45:23,770 --> 01:45:22,550
and on a Trifield meter they have the

2373
01:45:25,810 --> 01:45:23,780
little screws in back where you need a

2374
01:45:28,780 --> 01:45:25,820
little screwdriver to take the battery

2375
01:45:30,010 --> 01:45:28,790
cover off and I was doing that and it

2376
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:30,020
was during this time when I just

2377
01:45:37,330 --> 01:45:33,679
remember feeling just real quick kind of

2378
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:37,340
like you know I think almost like

2379
01:45:41,950 --> 01:45:40,010
someone's watching me I guess I don't

2380
01:45:44,290 --> 01:45:41,960
even remember feeling anything I just

2381
01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:44,300
remember turning around and saying hey

2382
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:46,130
guys does anybody else feel like you're

2383
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:48,890
being watched and I think I referred to

2384
01:45:54,370 --> 01:45:51,290
I don't mean like being watched from up

2385
01:45:58,530 --> 01:45:54,380
there and I don't even think I finished

2386
01:46:01,630 --> 01:45:58,540
my statement and I just remember this

2387
01:46:05,229 --> 01:46:01,640
physical something very physical just

2388
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:05,239
pounds into you and I was completely

2389
01:46:12,010 --> 01:46:07,760
aware that every single cell in my body

2390
01:46:14,830 --> 01:46:12,020
was in not fight-or-flight absolute

2391
01:46:17,260 --> 01:46:14,840
terror every cell in my body not just

2392
01:46:20,620 --> 01:46:17,270
your stomach or you're nervous or you

2393
01:46:25,419 --> 01:46:20,630
feel fight-or-flight it is horrendous

2394
01:46:28,510 --> 01:46:25,429
it's I can it's it's I know this is

2395
01:46:31,140 --> 01:46:28,520
gonna sound crazy which is what most UFO

2396
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:31,150
witnesses start out saying anyway but

2397
01:46:36,490 --> 01:46:34,010
the longer it goes on the the more I

2398
01:46:40,090 --> 01:46:36,500
forget the details about how I felt at

2399
01:46:42,459 --> 01:46:40,100
the time but I just remember it was it

2400
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:42,469
wasn't painful I just remember being

2401
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:45,530
absolute in terror and I just remember I

2402
01:46:52,030 --> 01:46:48,770
turned and started running when I did I

2403
01:46:53,370 --> 01:46:52,040
noticed that the witness and the other

2404
01:46:56,140 --> 01:46:53,380
investigate

2405
01:46:58,210 --> 01:46:56,150
turned at the exact same time and was

2406
01:46:59,680 --> 01:46:58,220
running - did you just leave your camera

2407
01:47:02,020 --> 01:46:59,690
equipment and everything or did you go

2408
01:47:03,820 --> 01:47:02,030
out yeah no no everything I just

2409
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:03,830
remember I turned and I started running

2410
01:47:09,370 --> 01:47:07,040
Wow and it's funny because I also

2411
01:47:12,190 --> 01:47:09,380
remember the whole time when I'm running

2412
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:12,200
and we're in it remembered the waters

2413
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:14,210
had just receded so it's kind of soft

2414
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:16,970
out there and I have bad ankles like

2415
01:47:20,620 --> 01:47:18,800
they kind of roll on me all the time and

2416
01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:20,630
I'm always worried about you know

2417
01:47:25,450 --> 01:47:23,450
twisting because it's you know and but

2418
01:47:27,820 --> 01:47:25,460
I'm running and I'm really going pretty

2419
01:47:29,710 --> 01:47:27,830
fast and I remember seeing this light go

2420
01:47:31,330 --> 01:47:29,720
you know I'm just watching this light

2421
01:47:32,770 --> 01:47:31,340
I'm just following this light it's just

2422
01:47:35,530 --> 01:47:32,780
going back and forth back and forth back

2423
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:35,540
and forth and then all of a sudden BAM I

2424
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:39,850
hit what felt like this brick wall and

2425
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,970
came practically to a dead stop and what

2426
01:47:47,820 --> 01:47:45,920
happened was I ran into the witness who

2427
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:47,830
I didn't see had stopped in front of me

2428
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:50,930
and that strange light I kept watching

2429
01:47:54,010 --> 01:47:52,370
that's going left and right left and

2430
01:47:56,530 --> 01:47:54,020
right left and right was he had a

2431
01:47:58,720 --> 01:47:56,540
flashlight in his hand and as he's

2432
01:48:00,340 --> 01:47:58,730
running this is the light but that's I

2433
01:48:03,940 --> 01:48:00,350
just remember being focused on this

2434
01:48:05,140 --> 01:48:03,950
stupid little light and hit him when I

2435
01:48:08,530 --> 01:48:05,150
knocked him a good one

2436
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:08,540
I'll be honest with you and I just

2437
01:48:14,170 --> 01:48:10,880
remember hearing him say what the f is

2438
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:14,180
that and he dropped his left hand I

2439
01:48:18,670 --> 01:48:15,410
remember the flashlight being in his

2440
01:48:21,580 --> 01:48:18,680
left hand sorry for the coffee and

2441
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:21,590
everybody the left hand and and he just

2442
01:48:26,410 --> 01:48:23,690
said what the f is that through his hand

2443
01:48:28,540 --> 01:48:26,420
out to his side he looked over and not

2444
01:48:32,460 --> 01:48:28,550
six feet from us here's this being just

2445
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:32,470
standing there not moving or anything

2446
01:48:36,910 --> 01:48:35,090
are you describing this of like little

2447
01:48:40,540 --> 01:48:36,920
stick legs or something like that

2448
01:48:43,540 --> 01:48:40,550
I remember being focused in I'm not sure

2449
01:48:46,510 --> 01:48:43,550
if that's where the flashlight was it

2450
01:48:48,990 --> 01:48:46,520
took many months after that we realized

2451
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:49,000
because I was so worried his legs were

2452
01:48:56,380 --> 01:48:52,970
abnormally like like a normal size three

2453
01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:56,390
and a half foot you know what yo what

2454
01:49:00,370 --> 01:48:58,010
kind of that normal body that you would

2455
01:49:02,230 --> 01:49:00,380
expect but his legs were thinner than

2456
01:49:04,660 --> 01:49:02,240
the pen and that's what I remember and

2457
01:49:06,700 --> 01:49:04,670
it just didn't make sense it was one of

2458
01:49:09,610 --> 01:49:06,710
those sites you were seeing where I was

2459
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:09,620
kind of focused and I saw his face and

2460
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:12,560
then I just remember his legs and now we

2461
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:15,050
realize it was the angle of the

2462
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:17,210
flashlight that I was just seeing bits

2463
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:18,890
of them you know the other legs were

2464
01:49:27,490 --> 01:49:25,130
shaded so it was next thing I know we

2465
01:49:28,930 --> 01:49:27,500
were running did you scream I mean what

2466
01:49:32,490 --> 01:49:28,940
what happened when you all saw this

2467
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:32,500
being nothing I didn't react at all

2468
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:36,080
nothing and that's that's something when

2469
01:49:41,229 --> 01:49:38,330
we were going through the testimony

2470
01:49:42,729 --> 01:49:41,239
after and reporting what we saw to the

2471
01:49:45,729 --> 01:49:42,739
state director and the other people that

2472
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:45,739
came out we kept saying like how does it

2473
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:49,040
go from dark in the woods

2474
01:49:53,890 --> 01:49:50,719
remember there's no streetlights

2475
01:49:55,810 --> 01:49:53,900
anywhere there's no town close this is

2476
01:49:58,690 --> 01:49:55,820
as dark as it gets it's that kind of sky

2477
01:50:01,090 --> 01:49:58,700
you dream of looking at just full of

2478
01:50:04,180 --> 01:50:01,100
stars and activity how do you go from

2479
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:04,190
dark dark dark to one of these big big

2480
01:50:11,170 --> 01:50:08,290
you know the halogen flashlights

2481
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:11,180
directly in your face and not a flinch

2482
01:50:21,490 --> 01:50:16,610
nothing I described the being when I saw

2483
01:50:25,300 --> 01:50:21,500
it that it was it it was obviously

2484
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:25,310
biological how I know that I don't I

2485
01:50:33,250 --> 01:50:28,370
can't say other than you know I'm it was

2486
01:50:39,070 --> 01:50:33,260
just biological and yet it reacted with

2487
01:50:40,450 --> 01:50:39,080
nothing almost mechanical so but yeah no

2488
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:40,460
one screamed nobody said nothing not in

2489
01:50:45,670 --> 01:50:41,840
fact I don't remember hearing anything

2490
01:50:49,090 --> 01:50:45,680
and I was just running again and so was

2491
01:50:52,990 --> 01:50:49,100
witness and we got to his truck all of

2492
01:50:54,010 --> 01:50:53,000
us jumped in the truck pulled out of the

2493
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:54,020
cornfield

2494
01:51:00,580 --> 01:50:56,410
pretty aggressively by the way he was uh

2495
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:00,590
making no haste and we got to his

2496
01:51:06,910 --> 01:51:03,410
driveway and we all piled out nobody's

2497
01:51:09,729 --> 01:51:06,920
saying anything it took a moment and I

2498
01:51:11,470 --> 01:51:09,739
just really remote I think I was the

2499
01:51:14,110 --> 01:51:11,480
first one who said something and I think

2500
01:51:17,860 --> 01:51:14,120
I kind of giggled and said what the

2501
01:51:20,740 --> 01:51:17,870
blank had just happened like one like

2502
01:51:24,910 --> 01:51:20,750
and I'm like why do we run I

2503
01:51:27,010 --> 01:51:24,920
you know that was something and at this

2504
01:51:28,450 --> 01:51:27,020
point I don't even know when the fear

2505
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:28,460
left because by the time we got back to

2506
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:32,480
the driveway that terror I mean to even

2507
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:34,730
talk about it now with you which isn't

2508
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:37,520
as much detail as probably we did the

2509
01:51:40,090 --> 01:51:38,960
first time because I'm trying to get

2510
01:51:45,340 --> 01:51:40,100
through the story before we run out of

2511
01:51:46,060 --> 01:51:45,350
time but you know honestly even this

2512
01:51:50,350 --> 01:51:46,070
little bit

2513
01:51:52,570 --> 01:51:50,360
you just feel yeah it's just I don't

2514
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:52,580
feel that terror again but there's a

2515
01:51:57,400 --> 01:51:55,040
enough of a memory where I just don't

2516
01:51:58,300 --> 01:51:57,410
want to go there again you know it it

2517
01:52:01,210 --> 01:51:58,310
was brutal

2518
01:52:04,030 --> 01:52:01,220
that kind of terror and the the only way

2519
01:52:07,810 --> 01:52:04,040
I could describe it is every little cell

2520
01:52:11,170 --> 01:52:07,820
of my body knew it was had its own huge

2521
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:11,180
terror no so anyway I remember saying

2522
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:12,890
that we just needed to call the state

2523
01:52:17,230 --> 01:52:15,290
director at this point this nights

2524
01:52:19,150 --> 01:52:17,240
already ridiculous nobody gets

2525
01:52:21,490 --> 01:52:19,160
everything in one night that was

2526
01:52:24,070 --> 01:52:21,500
probably my biggest concern going home I

2527
01:52:26,110 --> 01:52:24,080
just remember thinking you know I'm and

2528
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:26,120
not cussing which I did in the car I

2529
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:28,730
won't here but it was like BS nobody

2530
01:52:32,500 --> 01:52:30,410
gets everything in one night what is

2531
01:52:36,330 --> 01:52:32,510
going on what just happened out there

2532
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:36,340
and why did we run not a runner the

2533
01:52:42,130 --> 01:52:40,850
other investigator I wouldn't call her a

2534
01:52:44,140 --> 01:52:42,140
runner either I didn't know her that

2535
01:52:46,660 --> 01:52:44,150
well she was just a MUFON investigator

2536
01:52:48,940 --> 01:52:46,670
that was available but I can tell you

2537
01:52:51,670 --> 01:52:48,950
that witness wasn't a runner why did we

2538
01:52:55,690 --> 01:52:51,680
run we one thing I could tell you that

2539
01:52:57,310 --> 01:52:55,700
all of us came out and said was we were

2540
01:52:59,500 --> 01:52:57,320
it was controlled we had we had

2541
01:53:05,110 --> 01:52:59,510
absolutely no control over what we were

2542
01:53:07,420 --> 01:53:05,120
doing we were what we did was something

2543
01:53:09,850 --> 01:53:07,430
we had no control over I could tell you

2544
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:09,860
that right now there is no way I don't

2545
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:13,610
know why we ran nobody was scared and I

2546
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:15,440
think that's a third interview and

2547
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:18,530
disposition we were given giving to the

2548
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:21,530
investigators they kept asking us well

2549
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:24,170
did somebody say what is that or how did

2550
01:53:28,540 --> 01:53:25,520
you know the being was out there and I'm

2551
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:28,550
like I didn't I didn't know if anyone

2552
01:53:32,650 --> 01:53:31,040
else did in fact it was two weeks before

2553
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:32,660
I even realized that the other

2554
01:53:36,940 --> 01:53:34,370
investigator was

2555
01:53:38,620 --> 01:53:36,950
in front of that being when she turned

2556
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:38,630
it started running the only two that saw

2557
01:53:43,390 --> 01:53:41,690
it was me in the witness so we really

2558
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:43,400
yeah because when we got back to the

2559
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:46,880
driveway I just remember thinking we

2560
01:53:50,740 --> 01:53:49,250
can't talk about this we cannot the

2561
01:53:52,090 --> 01:53:50,750
three of us cannot say one more word

2562
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:52,100
about what just happened down there

2563
01:53:57,880 --> 01:53:55,970
until our testimonies are taken and sure

2564
01:54:00,250 --> 01:53:57,890
enough that happened the very next

2565
01:54:02,860 --> 01:54:00,260
morning we call the state director you

2566
01:54:04,660 --> 01:54:02,870
know he put a red alert and you know it

2567
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:04,670
would people were freaking out trying to

2568
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:07,010
get to that place cuz you know after

2569
01:54:10,780 --> 01:54:09,170
hearing what happened but I will tell

2570
01:54:13,690 --> 01:54:10,790
you that we were back in that cornfield

2571
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:13,700
30 minutes later because again I don't

2572
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:16,250
know when that fear left in that car

2573
01:54:21,310 --> 01:54:18,320
ride I just know that by the time I got

2574
01:54:23,590 --> 01:54:21,320
to a driveway I realized oh I don't feel

2575
01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:23,600
that terror like and wait what just

2576
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:27,260
happened and we were right back down

2577
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:29,570
there and I just remember his cousins

2578
01:54:33,250 --> 01:54:31,730
were a little curious and they drove

2579
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:33,260
down and they were standing on the side

2580
01:54:38,290 --> 01:54:36,410
of the cornfield for a little bit while

2581
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:38,300
we were out there I didn't want them in

2582
01:54:43,510 --> 01:54:40,490
the cornfield because we're in an

2583
01:54:47,740 --> 01:54:43,520
investigation and I couldn't help but

2584
01:54:50,170 --> 01:54:47,750
think mmm do you guys come down maybe to

2585
01:54:51,490 --> 01:54:50,180
see my reaction or to see why you know

2586
01:54:53,290 --> 01:54:51,500
we didn't see your little eight like did

2587
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,300
they put that out there was this a prop

2588
01:55:00,460 --> 01:54:55,520
because it didn't it didn't move there

2589
01:55:02,050 --> 01:55:00,470
was nothing and the first thing we did

2590
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:02,060
when we got back to the cornfield was

2591
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:04,250
retrace all our steps I could see

2592
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:06,410
everywhere we had been I could even see

2593
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:08,330
where I hid that witness there was

2594
01:55:13,900 --> 01:55:11,450
nothing around their footprint ya know

2595
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:13,910
and there wasn't even footprints of

2596
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:15,650
somebody walking out to place something

2597
01:55:19,810 --> 01:55:18,490
out there that whole area was completely

2598
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:19,820
untouched

2599
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:21,440
thank goodness and of course I had to

2600
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:23,810
get photos of that because you know that

2601
01:55:29,410 --> 01:55:26,480
it it was something that wasn't there

2602
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:29,420
that proved somebody didn't put that

2603
01:55:35,170 --> 01:55:31,370
being out there as a joke or mannequin

2604
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:35,180
or you know it was it yeah

2605
01:55:42,010 --> 01:55:39,530
to this day I still go back to that case

2606
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:42,020
every once in a while I love working

2607
01:55:47,830 --> 01:55:45,170
with people like Yvonne Smith and you

2608
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:47,840
know people that have

2609
01:55:52,300 --> 01:55:50,210
understand what happens when you see

2610
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:52,310
something I don't consider myself an

2611
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:55,760
experiencer or contactee because it was

2612
01:56:00,339 --> 01:55:58,159
I call it the one second that changed

2613
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:00,349
everything because Martin when I when I

2614
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:02,570
hit the witness he said what's that when

2615
01:56:08,620 --> 01:56:05,810
I my eyes followed the light and when it

2616
01:56:11,020 --> 01:56:08,630
I saw that being it was literally one

2617
01:56:13,629 --> 01:56:11,030
one thousand two that's it

2618
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:13,639
we were already running again yeah just

2619
01:56:20,020 --> 01:56:15,770
uh were right near the end of the show

2620
01:56:23,410 --> 01:56:20,030
here did you once you had given your

2621
01:56:27,070 --> 01:56:23,420
testimony did you talk to the witness

2622
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:27,080
about the being have you spoken to him

2623
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:30,170
about it and did he did he have the same

2624
01:56:36,910 --> 01:56:34,610
experience you did yes the I could tell

2625
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:36,920
you we actually the only time all of us

2626
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:39,050
were together except for the witness but

2627
01:56:45,220 --> 01:56:42,050
the state director the other MUFON

2628
01:56:48,100 --> 01:56:45,230
investigator and we had his handwritten

2629
01:56:51,970 --> 01:56:48,110
testimony at the time we were at a small

2630
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:51,980
conference in Tennessee uh and the state

2631
01:56:58,030 --> 01:56:54,770
director came up and absolutely said the

2632
01:57:00,459 --> 01:56:58,040
all three of the statements are almost

2633
01:57:03,850 --> 01:57:00,469
exactly alike they you know the there

2634
01:57:06,370 --> 01:57:03,860
was nothing about one saying this that

2635
01:57:08,439 --> 01:57:06,380
could contradicted the other the only

2636
01:57:10,180 --> 01:57:08,449
thing we were all over the place on and

2637
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:10,190
none of us got it right and we were all

2638
01:57:15,100 --> 01:57:13,250
so far away was how high that triangle

2639
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:15,110
was right we were all over the place on

2640
01:57:20,140 --> 01:57:17,690
our numbers I mean we weren't even close

2641
01:57:23,020 --> 01:57:20,150
yeah chase we're at the end I'm sorry to

2642
01:57:25,660 --> 01:57:23,030
say that went really fast can you please

2643
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:25,670
tell the audience when you have your

2644
01:57:31,870 --> 01:57:28,880
show and how they can watch it I

2645
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:31,880
actually listened to it yeah I actually

2646
01:57:37,450 --> 01:57:34,010
turned over fate magazine to another

2647
01:57:39,459 --> 01:57:37,460
host and yeah so I'm not doing radio at

2648
01:57:42,459 --> 01:57:39,469
the time I'm really devoting all my time

2649
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:42,469
into you know the investigations and

2650
01:57:48,729 --> 01:57:45,050
sure alright sorry about that in your

2651
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:48,739
that's okay your website is your name it

2652
01:57:52,990 --> 01:57:50,810
is just my name chase klutz keep calm

2653
01:57:54,939 --> 01:57:53,000
and if you guys wanted to look at some

2654
01:57:57,070 --> 01:57:54,949
of the other investigations were doing

2655
01:58:00,459 --> 01:57:57,080
independently that I do at Carey McClure

2656
01:58:02,020 --> 01:58:00,469
that's the field reports all one word

2657
01:58:04,540 --> 01:58:02,030
the field reports

2658
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:04,550
calm and Starchild skull and all our

2659
01:58:09,700 --> 01:58:06,890
works right there I'm on Facebook

2660
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:09,710
Twitter all right you know my phone

2661
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:11,810
numbers everywhere nobody cares

2662
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:14,000
okay all right chase it's been a

2663
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:16,130
pleasure once again always great to have

2664
01:58:23,250 --> 01:58:19,930
you on thanks so much thanks bye guys

2665
01:58:25,870 --> 01:58:23,260
all right all right everyone thanks for

2666
01:58:28,210 --> 01:58:25,880
supporting the show or watching us on

2667
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:28,220
YouTube or listening to the podcast

2668
01:58:33,460 --> 01:58:30,850
elsewhere I really appreciate it and

2669
01:58:36,730 --> 01:58:33,470
next week we'll be back with Caroline

2670
01:58:39,130 --> 01:58:36,740
Corey and she was scheduled to be on

2671
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:39,140
last week but she was ended up traveling

2672
01:58:45,340 --> 01:58:42,490
so had to reschedule er and don't forget

2673
01:58:47,470 --> 01:58:45,350
we are going to be at shag harbour I'm

2674
01:58:50,110 --> 01:58:47,480
gonna be up there with Jordan Bonaparte

2675
01:58:52,330 --> 01:58:50,120
from the nighttime podcast I'm meeting

2676
01:58:55,390 --> 01:58:52,340
him there in shag harbour actually

2677
01:58:57,490 --> 01:58:55,400
Friday evening so I'm on my way north

2678
01:59:00,010 --> 01:58:57,500
tomorrow so that show you can watch

2679
01:59:05,130 --> 01:59:00,020
either on youtube or on our on podcast

2680
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:05,140
UFO comm that is 5:30 to 7:30 p.m.

2681
01:59:10,570 --> 01:59:07,370
Eastern Standard Time this coming

2682
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:10,580
Saturday the 30th and it should be fun

2683
01:59:15,190 --> 01:59:12,800
all right thanks so much or remember to